American Shingle review: Scam 15

actually they only had one office according to bbb last week out of
Name: Southern Armor Roofing
Phone: [protected]
Fax: [protected]
Address: 1738 Morgan Park Rd Ste A

Pelham, AL [protected]
Website: www.southernarmor.com
Original Business Start Date: January 2010
Principal: Mr. Andy Moncrief, Owner
Customer Contact: Mr. Andy Moncrief, Owner - [protected] or

guess what- they just opened another office under same name in Tn. accoring to BBB.

Name: Southern Armor Roofing
Phone: [protected]
Address: 5380 Mt. Moriah Ext. #10 & #11

Memphis, TN 38115
Principal: Mr. Andy Moncries, Owner
Customer Contact: Mr. Andy Moncries, Owner - [protected]
File Open Date: August 2010
Type of Business: Roofers

Please make sure this gets out to everyone as this is the same company as American Shingle and i can prove it if need be. Forward info to insurance agents/local news and your states attorney general office. I'm sure we will see more open in next few weeks as they scamed many out of money to file B/K and re-open under this crap- NO MORE SCAM AMERICAN'T SHINGLE

look where you are at now? comlaining bout a company you haven't done business with- they never got money but if they didn't piss me off or know nothing bout them i wouldn't be posting on board- GET A LIFE and find your own problems-loser
F.Y.I. I don't think there are any roofers that are gonna be gaurenteed here for years to come- Maybe you haven't seen the economy lately- Gaurenteed here tomorrow- yeah right, no such thing in these times

Funny thing you are cindy88- How new in the southernarmor company- first one opened at the begining of the year 2010? about the same time American Shingle stopped puttin roofs up- about the same time the shingle supplier company cut them off because of their debt. I'm glad you got a new roof from southern armor. As i said they will do things right for as long as they can, it's just how a ponzi scheme works. Even though i question your really did get a new roof put on only to come to a complaints board to post good things about them? seriously. I can't tell you the last company i used that did the work they were suppose to that i went online to a complsints board to stand up for them. That makes me wonder who you really are? Employee? owner? who is the real cindy88. Did the real cindy88 really get a new roof from southern armor and was so happy with the work that the real cindy88 got on a comlaints board to praise the company she states did good work? I think i don't blieve the real cindy88- as that doesn't match up miss real cindy88

I question the company- i am mad at the misery they brought others as i was not one that got scammed- about happened but learned from others misery. P.A. huh- did southern armor open another office in that location? I wonder if thy have proper documents and license to even work there. I'm going to have to check that out with the state. I'm glad you got a new roof- as i'm sure the company will try to build things right from the start, I'm sure Americant shingle did the same untill it all crashed down on them. So i'm not bashing you as an individual- i posted that on SouthernArmor just for people to know what could happen to them into the future- as it is the shell of American shingle. Again, glad you got a new roof- I'm only a negative person towards the 2 companies, and you usually can tell when someone works/owns them responds. the reply back to me was more sincere than your first post in which i questioned your motive. So sorry if i questioned you but i will never quit questioning the new shell for americant shingle or any of its employees- Once again glad they made you happy- thanks for the new info about being in P.A. as i will do more homework about this new state they went into. To check and see if they are properly license and have proper documents/insurance to even work there- I will never quit untill they faulter or fail. Only because i was a day of getting scammed- Only for the reasons of so many that got scammed saved me but is no help to them, thats one thing I hate most. I sometimes wish they would have taken my money as to me the check means nothing. As, these 2 companies had me so stressed out during this debacle that i could go crazy. Its not the employees. My fight is with the ceo/owners and presidents of these 2 so called scam companies. I almost got the direct home address of the Americant shingle so i can get in touch with him directly at his house. Seems as he moved from florida to atlanta- seeing where he will go after this b/k issue before i release to public this info. I will hire 40-50 temps in hiw local area to only knock on his door to try and sell him something, i want him to know who the customers that got ripped off feel, the process they had to go through and have him as stressedout as i am- where everyone that knocks on my door now all i can see is scam- even if they are a legit company- :) wish you the best to and for the 3rd time i'm glad you got a new roof and all went well for.

I truly applaud you ryder111 for stepping up and telling the story fromt he inside of comany. Yes it is the shell of american shingle. I'm glad you wised up to see them for who they are and not continue to work for them. It sucks with the economy being the way it is one is lucky to find a job anymore. They hire these salesman who are looking for jobs, but whena person gets scammed i'm sure they put them to blame to. I had to pleasure to meet my 1st sales guy-talked to him for about a hour and a half, he even returned to my house with his mother. When he called me apologizing about the whole thing, i stopped him there, as i know it wasn't his fault or even the guy who met my insurance agents fault. As i could have been a person who seen a now hiring sign to apply for a job. I broke down the payscale in my head how the comany itself works, don't know how true it is- My estimates were the first door salesman that signs up a customer recieves what? 50 bucks per person they sign up, or is it a little less than that. I'm trying to figure out the whole process of the entire company- on how much one makes at evey position. I guesses the guy who met my insurance guy made what 75 bucks on approval of roof. I already know the person who comes to your house to gets check makes a comission on the full price of job- thats why they are always trying to make it more that told from beginning. If you have any more info on how the whole payroll thing is paid could you please let me know as i'm trying to figure out the whole business model that Americant Shingle had in place, trying to figure out where the money actually goes from ones check as they never had any roofers for themselves. Only used sub-contractors.
again thanks for info and response ryder111/ Wish you all the best in a new job that doesn't scam or con people out of money. Your reward will pay off rather than switching into their new company which many did.

that is a lot of wasted money from the bottom to the top. For one insurance check everyone got paid tons when really the check in full should only go to the roofers themselves, yes a business has fees/taxes etc. so i'd expect a little overhead, plus any company is in business to be profitable in general. Just all those middle men is one big wasted ladder. That is unreal pay structure. Meaning the sub-contractors that actually installed the roofs are the ones that got screwed over first, giving them reason to do crappy work as they weren't making much per job. As far as you say american shingle employees are recieving their pay, let me explain this to you really quick. Your old CEO exact words " 1st we will pay back our creditors/debt. 2nd we will payout all the employees of american shingle and last 3rd whatever is left will be rufunded to customers." Now with them only having 300, 000.00 in the company bank account do you really think after those who were scammed will ever see a dollar- NO WAY. how is it that the ones that paid money not the first in line as all that money in their account rightfully came from homeowners. They should have been put first on that list as that is where the 300, 000.00 came from. Business Bankruptcy Loopholes that need to be fixed. The bad thing aboout it- IT'S ALL LEGAL- EVERYPART- Thanks to the laws for protecting the citizens. Anyone with a little common sense knows that is not right. The 1st in line should always be where the money came/scammed from. Than you mention the only one who doesn't get screwed is the owners- i disagree as they will get screwed in the end, what goes around comes around. I'm that pesturing gnat you cant swat away. Southern armor is the mirror of American Shingle and no one can convince me otherwise.
But thanks for the payroll info- that is unreal, all that off a insurance check meant to replace the roof. Does insurance companies pay that much over. I know mine didn't. It was paid according to the same roof already up there for the past 25 years. Not an upgrade.

"plain and simple" :)-

funny man you are
" I own a dog grooming business and would say I am hiring but your attitude would never fly with my customers and/or their pets"

Sorry i own a little bit bigger company than this. I don't wash pets, hint my customers would never come to you as their dog washers travel to them and clean the animals right in their driveway from their vehicles- Actually not being funny but the truth right there, i see it happen all the time when i'm working, kind of funny actually, I've even seen a guy called scooper dude that walks around the customers yard picking up poop :) hey, i see him everywhere-wierd idea but if it works for him good. Not my cup of tea.

"I am sure you are aware that the Secret Services are involved in the investigation of American Shingle. I hate to be the one to inform you, but they are little more educated and experienced at investigations and have much more information than you do."

Yes my brother does loss prevention for a company covering the u.s. and even worked with the IRS on conterfeit money cases, they are smart- but even at times they need help. How many times did that one guy keep telling the sec that bernie madoff was a fraud? think it was about 5 years before he got busted- their smart to, would you not think? Maybe not as smart as you cause you can tell i worked for americant shingle. That i'm trying to get a job with southern armor to earn my last paycheck by ripping people off. Yes you should go help the IRS and the SEC investigate fraud. Remember one thing from this" Birds flock together" as you will soon notice-untill than good luck, oh yeah since you got ripped off by americant shingle, did you just get that letter in the mail from the ceo stating that they are forced to close doors but still collecting monies due to them? just checking as i believe they wouldn't send me an employee this letter would they?

"nomorescamsplease ...are you really this lonely and bored that you berate a particular company that according to your post "

No i'm realy that mad though, are really this bored that you read all my post? again funny man you are. I'm going to go work for american shingle i mean southern armor, so enjoy. i got roofs to build or pyramids one?

So now that I have seen the new updated front page to the website. I decided to look into the wording and the people's choice of words on here that defended them. I have began to notice the writing and word choices everyone uses are so equal- It is funny. Everyone who has attacked me to defend the company became exact words used by southern armor- which is now posted on their updated website. Let us try and figure out who is really behind the screen names on here- you be the JUDGE

from cindy88
"We do still have freedom of speech in this country dont we "nomorescams"? "

notice the same typing from southern amor website below,

from notascam

"According to Southern armors website they have already installed 500 roofs and are only 7-10 out on installs"

Funny how you knew this as their website had not put the correct wording up there at time of your post- But somehow you predicted the future website wordings.

please no lies

" I hope most are smart enough to check reputable places like the BBB and customer references"

NEW UPDATED FRONT PAGE TO WEBSITE- I am just reading between the lines to find the true identity for all the screen names on here.

Southern Armor Roofing is an Alabama corporation formed in January 2010. Southern Armor Roofing is in no way connected to competitor American Shingle. Despite recent rumors and allegations, Southern Armor is not in any way associated with American Shingle. However, we do realize there are many victims who are both consumers and job seekers. We welcome the opportunity to help in any way we can. Southern Armor installs roofs in 7-10 days from the date of the order and maintains ZERO complaints with the Better Business Bureau. We plan to continue to let our reputation and workmanship speak for our company. Southern Armor has over 500 satisfied customers. While freedom of speech is appreciated, posting false information that is slanderous to a company and/or individuals is not acceptable. We advise all posters to verify the "hear say" as fact before posting derogatory comments that could mislead consumers. We advise consumers to rely on more reputable sources such as the Better Business Bureau, references from actual homeowners we've done work for as well as visual inspections of our quality workmanship. We look forward to continuing the "Protection and Peace of Mind" we have provided many homeowners.

Please call if you have any questions or concerns.

Andy Moncrief: Owner

Office: 205.536.6328

Toll Free: 877.655.6328

Obviously they have been on these boards for a bit.
My past post "i would never slander anyone or any company that wasn't true- Go ahead, talk to your lawyers about slander"
Glad I could help you guys out with that word or law. If you need help with how to proceed with filing please let me know, so I can guide you step by step in the process.
How about this- maybe we can go after the news channel that posted the connection too? than go after BBB for slander before we realize slander and truth-do not match. Time will tell, it is ticking.

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=114786

The Attorney General's office is meeting with victims and planning to go to court.

According to the Better Business Bureau, roofing company "Southern Armor" has ties to American Shingle.

If you have a complaint with this or any company you're asked to call the Attorney General's Office.

I need someone who is reputable to let me know if southern armor is under investigation as of now. I have all my paper work complete and my brother will turn it to SS covering the alabama area to start the investigation, if not started yet. Please do not repsond if you have been defending this company or as your first comment. I need to make sure it has started or I will have it started this week. We see the lies coming from the company now, American shingle is our competitor. I got a strong enough case to have it started, If I do not hear from a reputable person on here, than I will assume no one knows and will proceed.

Are they top people from Americant, or just local top people. Personally never heard of either or came across their names before. So many people emailed me with new names of roofing companies but I can't thrash just anyone. Anything I say must be something I can prove in court. It is out of my hands now, With that being said I wish everyone the best, Yes everyone, Southern Armor, Dunko, the people that got scammed, Americant shingle, even the 2 people you mentioned. Best wishes to you too :) best wishes for all and Never lose your sense of humor :) We had post message fun in here, history in the making :) From a complaintsboard to investigations. From employees to people that lost money to americant shingle. The wonderfull Southern Armor employees that are not afraid to stand up for their company. To the people that got scammed and wanted to vent. I must say it has been my pleasure, very entertaining. I wish I could hug you all right now :) ok maybe not that much. I am done with it all, unless they want to continue. I always got to swing back, got bored when they stopped showing me attention-(I got A.D.D.) Everyone sit back and relax now, enjoy life :)

Just F.Y.I Southern Armor, I will never mention anything negative about your company again. If the site let me delete all my posts I would. No hard feelings I hope. If you do got them that means I got to you and makes me :) even more. Best wishes either way. Now let us all step away from the cyber world and get back to reality. Good luck to everyone- and goodbye with a smile :)

Hey "Stay away",
I took a quick peek inside the company you mentioned. I really do not see them surviving past the next few months, That is not my problem though. Now I am curious of your intentions-Why would you want so bad for me to call the company you work for? Are you trying to set me up? Please answer thruthfully, The truth never lies. This one has been killing me all day. What was your purpose of mentioning this, then coming back on here to say we "haven't called yet GROW SOME BALLS". Let us skip the small talk, and get to the point. Are you doing this because you want to be honest, mad at company/owners, or are you trying to get me in a lawsuit? What I am seeing is you are purposely trying to set me up, hope this is not true-but signs point to it! :(

Ok, was hoping that. Jason Cambell is a starting qb for another team but still a good qb:) If you want I can give mickey mantle some entertainment. I am sure he entertained many in his career. I am not the telephone tuff guy, but got other ways to spend my free time :) In a couple weeks I will send you some news articles, you will :) when you see it. Untill then, let me see what I can find on Mikey mantle. Send him some flowers and chocolate from the victims. What was the full name of the company, there are 2 newly listed in past 6 months. Both look like they will fold shortly though, so no need to worry bout them lasting the cold winter. I just did not want to knock on a random door, the more I thought about the house it seemed familiar like I heard the street name before. My memory tends to slip so wasn't for sure. Thats why I asked the questio., Thought maybe the homeowner might have pissed you off. These people will not let the roof scam go. It is getting pathetic now, all with the same model and a new name. The first pyramid fell, but they discovered much gold, Now every gold digger out there began diggin their foundations. Most are soft and will not make it past the wintery weather, There will be a few though, that see next summer. It really is pathetic that the invsetigators have not found anything yet, 2 hours in the books I could have told the whole story of A.S. and where the ten million walked away too. Guess that is the computer trick pulled in atlanta, cover the trails of the crime. I once heard, behind every great fortune was a great crime. Very true in this senario, anyways Good luck to you, Bad luck to rest- I will check out the mickey mantle game in next few days to see if he likes my humor :)