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In September '06 our family purchased an English Bulldog puppy form Robin Schulder. The dog required immediate vet care and was diagnosed with kennel cough. That kennel cough developed into pneumonia and within eleven days of purchase, we had to admit our dog NEAR DEATH into an animal hospital for a two week stay. It cost us nearly $6,000.00 and a lot of heartache to treat the sick puppy. Any responsible breeder would compensate us for vet care (there is a law that requires it) but Robin absolutely refused to take any responsibility, even after acknowledging the dog had kennel cough. Like the other complaint on this site, she offered a replacement puppy 4 months later - after the dog was healthy again! NOT ONLY DID SHE SELL US A SICK DOG, SHE NEVER SUPPLIED US WITH A SIGNED CONTRACT, HEALTH CERTIFICATE OR REGISTRATION PAPERS! ALL OF THIS IS AGAINST THE LAW. She is currently being investigated by the Attorney General's Office due to our Pet Lemon Law claim. We also reported her to the NY Dept of Agriculture and Markets (the breeder regulating agency) and she was cited for 5 infractions. We also filed a claim against her with the Better Business Bureau - she offered us $50 (which she never paid) so that the file would read that we reached a "partial settlement". She even spitefully named one of the puppies currently on her website after our dog. This is all in addition to the fact that our dog is not miniature as she said...our puppy is nearly 50 lbs and is only 6 months old. Regardless of what she puts on her website, it has been our experience that robin cares more about money than the quality and health of the dogs she sells. Once she gets your money, she waives any and all responsibility as a breeder. Don't believe her claims to be a vet tech (she is not) or a responsible breeder (she is not). We recommend you go to another breeder...buying a dog from Robin Schulder could be the biggest mistake you've made in your life.
I am sure Robin has at least a few clients who are happy. That does not make up for the fact that she acts irresponsibly and without regard when something goes wrong.
Just read her own comments...does a professional, responsible and caring breeder tell other to "get a life" and call them "idiots". She doesn't need others to make her look bad, she does a good job of it herself.
These are my comments to "Michael Schulder", whoever that may be.
Clearly, you are not truly committed to solving anything professionally or amicably, as you continue to perpetuate Robin's lies.
IT IS UNTRUE that I took my problems with Robin Schulder and Bulldogs R Us directly to this website. My family and I spent many, many weeks trying to come to a reasonable and fair agreement with Robin prior to posting on this website - to no avail. When there was finally no excuse left for Robin to use, she just plain declined any responsibility and refused to cooperate any further. I even contacted her one more time via email (it became very clear early on that a paper trail was necessary as she lied and twisted the truth constantly) asking her to reconsider before taking further formal legal action. She declined. And the fact you ask that I contact YOU all these months later is ludicrous.
Now let me make a few things perfectly clear for you "Michael" and anyone else reading this site. Once and for all.
1. IT IS UNTRUE that I stayed at your home for "quite a while" and I never stated that the dog showed symptoms of sickness while there. When I called Robin the second we got home to say she declined to give us any papers or receipts (and we FOOLISHLY left without them) I mentioned to her that the dog was making a "gagging" noise in the car, but we assumed he had perhaps eaten some of the newspaper in the crate. FORGIVE US FOR NOT RECOGNIZING KENNEL COUGH, FOR WE HAD NEVER BEEN SCAMMED BY A DOG BREEDER BEFORE. And by the way, WE HAVE YET TO RECEIVE ANY PAPERS ON THE DOG. You do know, Mr. Esquire, this is against the Pet Lemon Law that you quote.
2. IT IS UNTRUE that Robin was not aware of the dog's sickness. We were in constant contact with Robin about it. The idea that you and Robin have reverted to the premise that she was not made aware of the dog'g sickness early enough is not only ridiculous but stupid since WE ALSO HAVE PHONE RECORDS, EMAILS AND FAX RECEIPTS TO PROVE IT.
3. IT IS UNTRUE that I had no response to Robin's offer to move the dog to her vet for care. We did consider it as we, too, were concerned with the rising cost of his care. Do you really think we bought a dog to pay thousands of dollars in vet bills within weeks? AS ROBIN KNOWS OUR ANIMAL HOSPITAL PRACTICALLY MATCHED THE DISCOUNTED COST OF CARE SHE QUOTED BY HER VET. SHE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT. Considering the puppy started to show signs of improvement, we were weary to move him and put him under additional stress. Thank God we didn't, who knows what tricks she would have pulled. She was even suggesting she TREAT A PUPPY WITH PNEUMONIA AT HOME. Again, the Pet Lemon Law entitles me to select a vet of my choice, it does not entitle Robin to a vet of her choice.
4. IT IS UNTRUE THAT ROBIN SCHULDER OFFERED US A REPLACEMENT PUPPY SO THEREFORE WE DID NOT DECLINE ONE. You are lying on this website when you say it and Robin lied when she stated to to the OAG. When she learned that our dog was near death, she said, and I quote, "GOD FORBID THE DOG DIES, I WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER ONE". I TOLD HER THAT IF OUR DOG DIED, I WOULD NOT WANT ANOTHER DOG FROM HER. The only reason the dog did not die is because WE, AND THE VETERINARIANS, COMMITTED TO SAVING HIM. She did, however, offer us a replacement puppy 5 months later - after the dog was finally healthy and living in our home - when she was contacted by the BBB. Is THAT the replacement puppy you refer to?
5. IT IS UNTRUE THAT ROBIN SCHULDER OFFERED US A REFUND ON THE PUPPY, as she lied to in her response to the OAG. We were always willing to compromise with Robin and even split the cost of vet care so why wouldn't we have agreed to at least a full refund? And if you are so well-versed on the requirements of the Pet Lemon Law, why hasn't Robin and Bulldogs R Us adhered to it and paid us that much?
6. IT IS UNTRUE THAT WE LOST OUR PAYPAL DISPUTE BECAUSE OUR CLAIM WAS INVALID. When Robin refused to comensate us we tried to get compensation through PayPal for at least our deposit. However, there are unfortunately no provisions within PayPal or our credit card company to protect against the purchase of sick animals THAT ARE TREATED AND THEN KEPT. Only if we had returned the dog could they compensate us. There are just no special provisions made for the protecton of the purchase of live and sick animals through Pay Pal. Believe me, "Mr. Schulder", anyone who has ever heard our story has been disgusted by Robin's actions and sympathetic towards us.
Since you are so interested in "the truth" I thought I would provide some for you. And if you are truly interested in making amends once and for all, you may now contact me and my husband at the email address listed.
Please consider yourself contacted.
P.S. We are all sick of hearing about how "Robin feels"
Kris, you are not the only one being ignored. I, too, contacted Michael and he claimed to be intent on settling our claim as well. I asked for what I believe to be fair and reasonable, being that we have nearly $6,000 in vet bills, and have not heard from him in days...
After 6 months, we have finally reached a financial settlement with Robin Schulder and Bulldogs R Us.
That's right Jessica!
Mine have both had the "mange" since I got them. Add Glaucoma to the list. Don't you love "the papers" they give out? I didn't even get them for the "replacement" pup they sent me.
Anyone out there with the offer of a REPLACEMENT pup - don't take it - they are of no better quality.
Michael has threatened me with legal action for my comments, but they are all 100% true. And, I don't scare easily.
I have been told that my 2nd bulldog - my very well be an english bulldog (which I didn't think) - but the quality is extremely BAD. My vet stated that the mange is controlled only by NOT breeding. Did you get that Robinmichaelperry? Don't breed them - your passing on the bad trates, over and over again.
AND MICHEALROBINPERRY, I don't want anything from you! I don't want to SETTLE anything. I simply will continue to tell people my experience.
One more thing, Michael has many of my nice emails to them, he'd probably like to share with the world. Go ahead! I AM NICE! I didn't get mad until the "FREE" pup got sick. Then I thought about how they dupped me for more money for the same crap quality of dog.
BUYERS BEWARE! Look on better sites, like Champbulldogs.com or Bigbulldogs.com - they have beautiful dogs with great qualities.
Michael Schulder has done what he promised, to resolve the issue i have with what has happened in my case and has been kind. Danielle
There was a settlement reached in my case. But in no way does not mean that anything i said was a lie or untrue. I was sold an Olde english bulldog not an English bulldog. Everything i have said has been true. I hope from now on that anybody wanting to buy a dog from any breeder fully investigates them, and calls several past customers to find out their experience and if possible visit the breeder (place) on different occasions unannounced to check where your new puppy is coming from. Also find out what type of REGISTRATION is given do not assume you will be sorry! Any registration name that is not well known is not reliable. These dogs are expensive and you should get the best of the best. Make sure it is AKC or UKC a reputable well known registration, they don't lie about the dogs they register. Pure puppy registration is NOT a reliable registration. They will register a fish as a puppy.
Hhmmmmm, still waiting :)
Took Lucy to the vet today - spent over $120 on her meds.
Michael, keep me posted.
Kris
Michael,
Is there some particular reason that I've been the only one ignored? You've settled with everyone, sent me an email that you wanted to make things right, then you drop off the face of the earth...
I do expect to hear from you, I am still out here waiting to see if you really do keep your word. I've emailed you directly with no response. Whats going on?
I am not sure what to make of everything. But the circumstances around buying this puppy were strange. I have pictures of "parents: that I am being told by another breeder that the supposed "mother " is a young about 16 week bulldog, not a mini. A male that i am told is fullsize. My dog came ot me sick with worms (possibly normal?) and giardia (I am told that is not normal). My dog looks like 100% bulldog, but perhaps a a bit longer legs in the back than my other pure bred english. Perhaps more "athletic". ?After readng this, I called and told her I wanted verification of the parents and that those pictures were of the parents. My 0nly hope is that I dont see recent complaints, and perhaps because of all of you that she is now at least selling 100% english bulldogs. Her weight at 8 weeks (if that is her age) is 8.1 lbs. According to a growth chart I found that would make her a small bulldog. I told her she needed to call me within 24 hours to help clear all of this up, or I am going to file a lawsuit. My boyfriend is an attorney, and said we can dispute based on a couple of factors. I just hope that she will simply verify the parents, have the weight verfied. If anyone wants to see the pics she sent me and tell me if they recognize them as being a scam, please let me know. On the otherside of the issue, maybe this lil girl will be fine. I hope and pray. Maybe, just maybe, she is sick of the bad press and has improved her breeding practices.She seemed nice... The dog looks fine after being treated 300 dollars later. I also thought it was wierd she did not ship her direct from NY to chicago. She got her a connecting flight through Houston first. I paid her for a kennel and it defintely looked "used". I paid her 300 for shipping and the cage. I will be more than happy to try t objectively report what happens. For support, against support, or neutral.
Sometimes dogs are born sick, what are you gonna do? It happens, if it didn't, the diseases wouldn't exist anyway.
No one claims the dogs are kept in inhumane conditions, no one claims they're unvaccinated... sometimes, crap happens. And it sucks. I agree, she should have paid vet bills in some cases, though it sounds like a lot of you were pissy from the beginning.
WOW if that doesn't sound like Robin nothing does. That's right Robin you should have paid for ALL the vet bills. Better yet STOP SELLING DOGS ALLTOGETHER! You will spare these poor people and the puppies.
John and Robin are ###! They should not be allowed to own a Bulldog...let alone breed them! Her dogs are mutts! She claims that she has the wrinkliest Bulldogs in the world! LIES~LIES~LIES! She has unhealthy, tall, long, ugly pitt bulls mized with bulldogs! NO WRINKLES! LONG TAILS! That's NOT a Bulldog! NO REGISTRATION PAPERS! Why? Because they are NOT PURE BRED! Tiffany's Platinum English Bulldog Puppies, Bulldogs R Us, Miniature Bulldogs, Yorkies R Us are just a few of her numerous sites! Robin Schulder, Brenda, Tiffany Ferrisi, John Ferris are some of her names and sites! This woman is total garbage!
Nice post Robin! I printed it off and sent it along with proof of what I paid for my dog to the IRS! I'm SURE they will be VERY interested to know that you've sold thousands of dogs for thousands of dollars each! Hope you're filing your taxes on the income! I imagine that your husband would lose his bar card over tax evasion, wouldn't he? I encourage others who have been wronged by Robin to do the same thing. Also, when you have legitimate complaints that went public ONLY AFTER trying to resolve them with you and being threatened by your lawyer husband go public, do you think that calling us idiots is the correct response? Trash! Robin, you are pure trash and you just proved that yourself by your own response! You are NOT a reputable breeder. Reputable breeders DON'T HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEM ALL OVER THE INTERNET! You are a puppy mill. Nothing more. You peddle out the puppies as fast as you can and spin them as fast as you can to make as much as you can and then dump on the people that have a problem. I don't know how you sleep at night! You are selling mutts, making promises as to their health and looks that are just lies to make a quick buck! Why doesn't your husband get a job and support you so you can GET OUT OF PUPPY PEDDLING which you are obviously FAILING miserably at! Why would you keep doing this when people are so unhappy with your idea of health and quality? Why? Because you want to take people's money and don't care at all that they are stuck with a sick puppy, vet bills and a dog they never signed up for! I believe my puppy to be pitt bull! I NEVER wanted a pitt! I wanted a Bulldog and thought I was buying one! It's a mixed breed and you knew it! You should be ashamed but instead, you just weild your attorney husband at anyone with a complaint as if he's your rightous high horse! By the way, my puppy arrived with fleas and SMELLED horrible! I realize that both of those are very easily fixed but when you scam someone out of three grand for a mutt...can't you AT LEAST give it a bath? You must live like absolute filthy pigs to have sent me a puppy smelling that badly! Also, when my puppy went to the vet (my vet thought it was parvo at first because of the blood, dehydration and vomit but it turned out to be infested with untrested coccidia) my vet asked me what breed it was! I paid $3000.00 for a Bulldog and my vet wanted to know what breed it was! That should tell you everything you need to know about Robin Schulder's breed standard for a Bulldog!
"Michael" if you are so legitimate, why do you and your wife put up a new web site every week and make up new names? This is not normal behavior for legitimate breeders. Who os John Ferris? Who is Brenda Ferrisi? Who are Bob and Deloris? Why did you post the number of the ASPCA when they DO NOT HANDLE complaints? The ag dept. does! With so many people so unhappy with your mutts that you peddle as purebreds and with you being an attorney and claiming that your filthy mouthed, trashy wife was just "upset" why don't you take care of your family and get out of dog breeding? It seems to me that would end a lot of problems. There's ONLY ONE REASON WHY YOU WOULDN'T...YOU WANT THE MONEY IT BRINGS IN! This is all about the MONEY! You aren't in it for glory, let's face it, you are absolutely hated and need to use alias names to even peddle your poor mutts and you're not in it for the better of the breed (in fact, I don't think you would know a quality Bulldog if one was standing in front of you) you aren't in it for the satisfaction...is this REALLY worth it? Apparently the answer is yes. The money IS worth it. Apparently you and your trashy wife will continue to use fake names to peddle your mutts and scam people out of their money and then call us names when we dare to have a grievance with the mighty attorney and his trash can wife!
Does anybody have information about Ken's Pets in Queen Village. Our family Just went through the same thing and we had to put our sick puppy to sleep. Our children were very upset and we are taking further actions to. Please help us put these crazy breeders out of business.
Everyone whom stated this lady is a saint and does not wrong- go to nydailynews.com and type in bulldogs r us- you'll see the truth behind this woman and the ailing dogs she sells to innocent people and the hell she puts these animals through. Funny every person that had an issue has the same story to tell. This woman Robin should be ashamed of herself and sent to jail for the torture she puts these animals and the people that purchase them through.
oh my goodness...it never ends with Robin of bulldogsrus.net. I also bought an english bulldog of of this woman...he had alot of serious health problems and died at 9 months old. And the last time I went to Robins house for his vaccinations...She had at least 6 dogs sick with kennel cough. She told me herself. She said she has live recordings of me and my husband, so it should be on her recordings as well...she is a wacko! Please dont get involved with her, and if she offers you a replacement puppy, please dont take it. Just cut your losses like we did and find a reputable breeder. There are plenty of them. We just found a wonderful puppy with a fantastic pedigree. And alot cheaper than Robins! You cannot believe the horrific emails Robin has sent me. Cursing me out and telling me I killed him...Yes, I killed my puppy...she is nuts. i have 2 vet reports to go by. He had health problems since we got him, but we loved him very much and did all we could to help him. If anybody would like to see the emails I recieved from Robin, feel free to email me. And for any future customers of bulldogsrus.net...please email me as well, I will just show you what you would be dealing with, God forbid you are not happy...Good luck to all and stay away from bulldogsrus.net.
For the record though, how many people that posted complaints got nasty emails from Robin in return?
Robin Schulder is stealing other breeder's photos and using them to lear buyers in. She stole my puppy's photos and when she was contacted about that puppy she said it was a male(wrong) and then said it had just recieved a deposit but had several of the littermates available.
Is something wrong with her dogs? Ask yourself why must she use others photos! Either her pups are too sick or they are not up to conformation standards so she is embarrassed to display them. You draw your own conclusions. I know nothing about her dogs only what I have read.
At first, I was angry at the audacity of this woman. After reading many complaint here and other consumer reporting sites I am just sicken and sadden. Not just for the scammed buyers but also for this wonderful breed, the English Bulldog.
I appologize for any harm that may have been afflicted on you from the unauthorized use of my photos. Measures have been taken to deter these scammers in the future. Myself or family is in no way affiliated with this person in any way, shape or form.
BUYERS,
Hopefully you are reading this before a purchase. You are already taking the right steps.
ALWAYS get the breeder to provide you with a HEALTH CERTIFICATE from a licensed vet.
RESEARCH THE BREED know what the common health issues are and the treatment and the conformation standards
FIND a breeder by asking your vet, other owners and kennel/breeder clubs
GOOGLE the name of the BREEDER and PHONE NUMBER/s
KNOW the PUPPY LEMON LAWS
NEVER buy from the INTERNET go to the breeder's home and observe
VIEW BOTH PARENTS and the litter
ASK for references from PREVIOUS BUYERS along with current photos of that puppy
NEVER BUY from mills, brokers, pet shops
JOIN a specific breed club in your area or start one. This can be a valuable resource now and in the future
These are just a few things that may be helpful in finding your new companion.
To Robin,
Please stop making it harder and harder to find a healthy English Bulldog. A true breeder will breed for the love of this wonderful breed. They choose a already excellent bloodline and spend thier lifetime striving to improve and perfect this line. They take what the previous responsible breeder has worked on and try to make it better, not harming this breed.
FYI: Demodectic Mange is inherited by the parents(female usually) and the pups produced will have a weaker immunity to this mite and so forth down the line until it(the pups) will have to be euthanized because they do not respond to treatment.
If you have a dog that has ever had this disease please spay/neuter it. If you currently have puppies for sale by the parent/s please let the buyers know they need to be spayed/neutered for this reason. It is a good practise to limit a healthy litter's ablity to reproduce to only the best puppy of the litter anyway.
Be honest with yourself and your buyers about your line. This is the first step in helping produce a better breed. There is no bloodline or stock that is perfect...yet! It is not about the money but passion. You should be proud of your line and not need to take others work and pose it as your own. Take a look at why you are doing this and then do the right thing. You need to decide if breeding is what you thought it was and if you should continue. Life is about growning and learning. This may have started as a way to make money but you should have realize now that it is more than that and it may not be for you. It is hard work and good judgement. PLEASE! PLEASE! HELP PROTECT THIS WONDERFUL BREED!
As a breeder you are leaving your mark on this breed~make it a positive one.
Crystal
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http://www.myfoxny.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7833433&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1
http://www.myfoxny.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=ACB6EA27A6EAA9A7D9F5D0437F902A30?contentId=7833433&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1
MY DOG THAT SLEEPS NEXT TO ME EVERY NIGHT SHE HAS PICS OF ON HER WEBSITE; SHE STOLE OFF MY ORIGINAL BREEDER LAST YEAR; I HAVE THE EXACT PICS DATED LAST YEAR N SHE IS USING HIM ON HER WEBSITE RIGHT NOW; HE HAS A DISTINCT SCAR N THE PICS ARE IDENTICAL; DOES SHE HAVE TO STEAL OTHER PEOPLES DOGS PICS; N LIE THE FATHERED HER PUPS; HE IS MY DOG; NEVER HAD PUPS NEVER SPENT A NIGHT OR HOUR AWAY FROM US; HOW SHE CAN EXPLAIN THIS
FRAUD TELL ME
I have never met or purchased a puppy from this woman but I do know that if you go to Nightingale Bullies and click on available pups they explain that they now have their name and number on all their pictures to stop Robin from using them. I also saw her mentioned on Europups scam section. I also noticed she has yet another site called englishbulldogspup. She has so many sites but none of the same puppies on any of them. How many bulldog pups can one person have? And why would someone keep making differently designed sites to try to keep people from realizing its the same person. If I were a reputable breeder, I'd have one site so all my reputation would be bound to that. I was helping my sister look for a pup and that sent up a lot of red flags.
You have no idea! Google 'pd00507'. More websites come up. This is Robins license number. She has more sites than this though, these are the ones she has it listed on. My favorite is the Quality Imported Guard Dogs.
I have never purchased a dog from this breeder and I never will. Anyone considering buying a puppy from her should consider the question, if you are unhappy with your puppy from Robin for any reason, what name is she going to call you. Will she have a new one or will you just be a ###, a lying piece of ###, a sick house wife. Wow, this lady has no class! Such language from a lady! If she doesn't care about humans how can you believe she cares about animals? She truly sounds like a sick human being. May God watch over the animals in her care and I pray that God will put her out of business!
Robin is NOT a breeder she is a broker! check out shame on you on fox 5. She buys pups/dogs cheap and sells them high. She is an insult to reputable caring breeders. Robin has NEVER shown Bulldogs. Read her comments (or just take a look at her) she is obviously uneducated. She make money off the backs of her dogs. Robin get a life, get a job and from the looks of you on TV get a makeover!
ALL I KNOW IS SHE STOLD PICTURES AND PUT THEM ON HER SITE
Glad to see Rescue Ink helped put this breeder out of business! Just watched the episode that says her license is not being renewed. I am not an animal lover, yet even I could see what deplorable conditions her puppies were kept in. What a sorry excuse for a human being.
Just so everyone knows Robin DOES NOT BREED she actually uses brokers to buy puppies from puppy mills. I have been trying to close her down for years. The problem has been that everyone thought she was a breeder and not a retailer. She uses companies like Lambriar Inc for instance, they are the largest puppymill broker in the country. The pups that she claimed came from other countries actually came from mills in Hungry. She will get whats coming to her eventually. Anyone needing help with a sick animal that they purchased from her or any other store or breeder please feel free to contact me anytime day or night at Yankeepuppy47 on aol. I am in the animal industry and can help! I have been trying to change the laws for years and the more people that speak out the more attention we can get. Do not keep quiet about these people, get the word out and help me stop the torture these poor defenseless puppies! I am here to help!
Thank you Yankee Puppy Animal Rescue.
IM WONDERING IF THIS IS JUST BREEDER WARS GOING ON OR CYBER BULLYING
UNLESS YOU HAVE PROOF OF A TRANSACTION DO NOT POST.
I HAVE SINCE FOUND SEVERAL BREEDERS WITH WRITE UPS AND THE SAME POSTINGS
WHICH MAKE THIS A BOGUS SITE WHERE ANYONE CAN POST ANYTHING AT ANYTIME
WITH NO PROOF. VERY SAD.
i have never bought a bulldog. here lately i have wanted to. i saw robin shulder on that show rescue ink. now those guys truely car about animals. i would never buy ANYTHING from robin.i may only be 19 but every since age 3 i was raised with a passion for animals of all shapes and sizes. i would never buy her animals because 1. all these complaints are too horrid to think about, 2. the reputation she is building for herself by cussing everyone out and such isnt a good thing for her business(goes to show what business she is running) 3. no human should get a puppy and then have to pay thousands of dollars because it is sick. now granted i took in a puppy with scabies knowing that i was putting my whole family at risk, but i did it anyways because it was the right thing to do...my poor lyza was so miserable at that breeders house i couldnt stand to leave her there...it wasnt even cool...in all what i have to say is...robin, grow up and accept responsibility for your mistakes. every pet owner makes accidents at some point with their pets, stop worrying about the freaking money, these are lives your destroying...this is just like slavery, you have them cuz they bring you income, you sell them cuz you dont like them anymore or they stopped working...think about your mother dogs...it isnt healthy for them to be having so many litters...would you like having 30 kids in ur whole life...