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Harassing gay members
There is an area of current LDS policy that makes me shudder, that is explained in the new Handbook 2 of Administering the Church – 2010.
This is the policy of permanently annotating the records of LDS church members who have once engaged in homosexual activity, thereby marking them permanently throughout their Church lives, in a manner that will guarantee that all new wards and leaders (and most surely the membership) will be informed of the legacy of that person’s current sexual orientation and/or past life.
The Church sates that it reserves such permanent annotations only on the records of members “whose conduct has threatened the well-being of other persons or of the Church”, and this is done in order to help the bishop “protect Church members and others from such individuals” (p. #70).
Notably, there is no mention of this requirement for any person found guilty of repeated heterosexual activities, which shows that the Church still regards homosexual activity to be a much greater sin and threat to its membership.
The offence of “repeated homosexual activities (by adults)” is placed alongside other atrocities such as incest, sexual offense against or serious physical abuse of a child, plural marriage and predatory conduct (p# 71).
While the LDS church truly believes in and preaches repentance and forgiveness, even to the point described in D&C 58:42 - “Behold, he who has repented of his sins, the same is forgiven, and I, the Lord, remember them no more, ” current policies make the “remembering no more” part virtually impossible as “In all cases, an annotation on a membership record is removed only with First Presidency approval upon request of the stake president” (p. #70).
Such permanent markers for being a homosexual (or even claiming to be a reformed homosexual who has since repented and now refrains) is reminiscent of the pink triangle “annotation” given by Hitler and the Nazis upon all homosexuals rounded up and placed in concentration camps along with all of the others deemed undesirable at the time.
LDS people with a past that includes homosexual activities should be informed of this current policy so they can decide in advance, before submitting themselves to formal LDS disciplinary processes, whether they want the permanent stain of this annotation to mark the remainder of their lives in LDS fellowship.
Harassment of former member
Approximately 12 years ago I wanted to make it official that I was no longer wanted to affiliated or associated with the LDS / Mormon Church. Some of the background, my family is some of the original founders tracing back to Illinois and the ingress to Salt Lake City. I had finally come to terms with my faith and that did not include the Mormon religious beliefs. It included the Bible. No other books were necessary. As I said my family must had let the Church know my address since I only had a PO BOX and the house was in my father-inlaws name. Yet the missionaries were knocking on my door asking for Elder (Guffaw). Well there is no one by that title here Needless to say, I requested that they discontinue contact with me and further asked what I needed to do to be removed from the list as I do not wish to be contacted by the Church at all or for that matter ever again. They said they would check in to it and let me know. They came back the following week and stated that I needed to send a letter to the Bishop basically stating that I was revoking my membership to the church and wanted nothing further to do with it. I told them thanks for looking up the information and asked for the address. They gave me the address and I wrote out a letter stating the items that I know longer wanted to be a member and to PLEASE stop bothering me that I do not want missionaries or anyone else from the church coming to my house (I included other items such as a revocation on my baptism and understanding that if I wanted to join at a later time this action would be under consideration). A few days later I get the letter I sent returned to me with a handwritten note on the front saying there is no at this address. I am not sure if it was the postal service that wrote it or what but it was the address the missionaries left. I looked the address up, both on the Internet and the phonebook and it was the same address. So I sent the envelope and its contents to the business offices in Salt Lake City. Approximately one month later, a very angry Hispanic man was on my porch yelling and clutching my letter that looked it had traveled to many places before landing in his hands once again.
He asked if he could come in to my house to discuss this ridiculous letter, I stated that the letter asked politely to NOT come to my house and that he needs to respect my wishes and leave. He said that was unacceptable, I told him that he has two options he could leave now and correspond with me via Mail as I was requested to do or he could be charged with trespassing as I am calling the police in 2 seconds and pulled out my cellphone. He opted to leave but I never heard from him or the Church again.
I mistakenly thought this was the end of that issue. I moved from Denver to Maryland and then at some point moved back to the Denver area (fast forward 10 years from the above mentioned events), my new residence was 20 or so miles from where I was when the incident first occurred. The second day after moving from the East Coast into my new home, there were two men standing at my front porch asking for Elder . Knowing that either could be a potential neighbor and not want to start a fight I was very polite and told them that I had requested 10 years ago to no longer be affiliated with the Church and to NOT contact me, especially in person at my home. One of the men seemed shocked and stated, sir we would have never come had we known that you sent such a letter, but so you know we received your file and their is nothing at all in it that indicates this request or any request not to contact you. He then asked if I would like him to initiate the process again, which does require a letter to the Bishop. I stated yes, and I trust it will get taken care of this time.
I received a letter from the local church stating what I needed to do. In the meantime there were several visits from the missionaries. I ended up traveling for a while and did not get to the letter and had not been bothered for many months, and then some missionaries came to my door asking for Elder . I told them I am very frustrated with the Church as I just want to be left alone, one of them had the gumption to ask me what I now believed in. I just said, really!, you want to go there with me? His partner looked at him, like are you crazy. I then told him that I was to send a letter to the Bishop to be removed but was busy for the past few months and it was low priority action item, but I still had the intention to do it. I then asked if in the mean time they could stand down and not bother me or my wife any longer they said they would make a note in my file.
A couple of weeks later I got a letter from the Bishop with a letter for me to sign stating all of the things that it needed to say as well as a return envelope. All it needed was my signature and mailed back (Thank you sir!). I promptly did it. Last week, my wife called to let me know their were two Mormon missionaries at our door again. I am not sure what the next step should be -- legal action a restraining order. I know that people will say they are nice people great get on their list and indulge but be nice enough to respect when people don't want you to persistently bother them after multitudes of formal and informal request to be left alone.
I had no choice in getting involved in this Church, I was born into it and it is difficult if not impossible to have my decision as an adult stand. For those who state that I am lying as I saw with another Mormon poster, I can provide proof of the letters, sworn affidavits, regarding conversations and events surrounding the aforementioned activities -- you seriously don't want to go there, as I will just add it to my restraining order documentation, if that is the way it has to be.
The complaint has been investigated and resolved to the customer’s satisfaction.
Findagrave had become corrupt. Who does one complain to about a woman who deliberately steals your work and she puts her name to it and the people in findagrave are just fine with this thievery. This woman is a low life and low class person and has badgered me for close to 20 years;. I do my best to not bother with her - but she keeps on coming. How do I get her to stop and let me alone? Whom do I complain to abut all this nonsense? Findagrave won't help me3. Is there anyone decent who will?
Mike Wolcott
The LDS Church, from my experience, is a very large religious hate group. I do not know if anyone can get a restraining order due to the shear volume of people who apparently require them. They are very unwilling to let anyone leave, and they plant missionaries in most cities in the United States. It almost impossible to live any where without them eventually showing up or reporting that they saw you due to the shear number of ignorant adherents that they manage.
The size of the cult is concerning. They are likely a 4 million member cult spanning the entire United States. Unlike the vast majority of cults, the LDS cult is enormous. Their members have very poor boundaries, concern for law, understanding that they are violating laws, or basic education. Unlike what people understand, there are very many Mormons on the East Coast. The Mormon congregation is much larger than is readily understood because they often do things in secret, based on the paranoia of the belief system. It would not surprise me if the actual number of adherents was 10 million.
There adherents tend to have most common traits of abusers, so it is no surprise that people complain. They do not take no for an answer. They rewrite history. They do not allow any version of truth but their own truth. Their members often have affairs. They are racist and sexist. They love power. They view life in terms of winning, and they generally use win/lose situations. They retaliate. They are excessively unforgiving. They use public humiliation when they do not get what they want (mocking, name calling, verbal insults, frantic displays).
Most people in the LDS cult either are domestic abuser's themselves or they suffer from Stockholm syndrome. It has the highest depression rate, very high domestic violence and sexual abuse rates, very high child abuse rates because that is all consistent with association with people with abusive traits. Another common trait of abusers is delusional behavior or insisting that obviously delusional ideas are true for long periods of time. Domestic abusers are often mistaken as schizophrenics because they use delusional behavior as a means to frighten and terrorize victims.
I did google translate sorry
Dear LDs Church,
I will take the advantage and the time to tell you the truth. I believe in the love of god and I know its honest. Sometimes in life there is things or big things that it’s not fair but its part of life but it doesn’t mean that anyone should bring someone else down with them. There are things that happen to us for the caused of others and its not fair. I believe that everyone have a good side, and have the right to change for the best.
I’m not LDS, I believe that anyone could be good without going to church, sometimes in church you meet the worst kind and that’s my case. I have Never ever, met the worst human kind until today and unfortunately that’s someone in your church. Like I said even though I am not lds, I’m ashamed that there is people out there that can destroy someone’s life in a minute. I’ve never met anyone with such a black soul like this person, it makes me so angry just to even think about all the worst things that this person does honestly I think this person should be in jail for all the crimes and fraud that this person have done. This person its still out there demanding for things that doesn’t even deserve. Hopefully this is not a mistake what I am doing. I am doing it because I am a human, I believe that all humans make mistake to a limit, I believe in respect, honesty, and providing for the best.
This person it’s the worst human kind in this world. I’ve never ever met anyone like her. She should be in jail for everything that she have done and the worst thing is that she have 6 kids almost 7 that its about to be in this world. It’s a shamed to say that she is a mother of 7. When Edith was very young she had her first kid with some drug dealer. After a year she had another baby with some other guy that she doesn’t even know where he came from until now she doesn’t know who is the dad. She was still with the drug dealer who later was put in jail for drugs. He was deported back to El Salvador. Janet she was still in LA. After a few years she had another baby with another guy, after a few year she saw him again and demanded child support after 10 years, the guy lost he’s house and he’s family but Honestly he deserved it because he lied. After 1 year that her third child was born she went back to California and got with some other guy who’s way older than her for like 25 years she got pregnant on her 4th child came back to Utah.
So this is when I met her she already had 4 kids. Janet and me we used to go out together until one time I asked her who she leaves her kids with and she was with a friend, but before she leave she would give them Tylenol or anything to make her kids go to sleep and she would go to the night clubs after. That’s when I didn’t like hanging out with her. She told me some many things about how she would sleep with guys and get money out of them. I actually met a few of them, some guys would go to her house and sleep with her and give her money like she was prostitute and the worst thing it was that her kids would be there watching her life style, she would work sometimes. The State was given her everything childcare, medical insurance, housing and food stamp she was very set. All she needed to do is work and if she wanted to have fun just do it in a healthy way and especially having 4 kids.
There was one times that she would call me every weekend to take care of her kids which there were 2 girls and 2 boys. The girls are the oldest and the boy 2 of the youngest. I would go to her house and take care of the kids if not she would take them to her brothers or a sister. Her own family wasn’t willing to take care of her kids, because she would get drunk and bring random guys and her family though if she didn’t have help she would actually stay home. But if she didn’t had a babysitter she would leave them by themselves very late at night.
So she lived that way for 2 or 3 years the kids where growing older specially the 2 girls. One time I was taking care of them when the second oldest comes and tells me that she had 1 boyfriend and she had 2 lovers. I was very surprised because its very strange to hear that coming from a 6 year old it was crazy I was in shocked and not even that it was in front of my mom and aunt, they couldn’t believe what came out of her mouth.
So one time she got mad at me because she met this guy and she took him home when I was there and he was staring saying that I was cute and asked my cousin for my number, so he starting texting me, So I told her because they seemed like they had something so instead she got mad at me and said all this crap about me that I was a slu**** and treated me like I was the worst kind when I was actually there for her all the time. I knew so much about her she would sleep with all this guys. Every weekend it was a different guy and not even that one times she find out that she was pregnant and she was 3 month she had to get an abortion. After 9 month she was pregnant again but she knew whom the dad was so she decided to keep the baby until she had a accident at work and her baby died before it was born. I think she was 7 month pregnant. I hated the fact that she was sleeping with all this guys and most of them they were married with family. Beside she was a home record she stolen many SSN got herself furniture’s and she even sold Some SSN’s. She had everything but she just wanted more money. Sometimes her brothers would come form California and she would sneak into there room and steal there money out of there wallet and they wouldn’t notice because there where sleeping.
So I didn’t interact with her so much after she got mad at me, but I had a cousin who would go to her house all the time I think they had something too. I knew she met this one guy and had a kid with him that was her 5th child. She staring talking to me again because I saw her in a birth day party it was my nephew birthdays he was turning two. She told me that she was stable that she met this guy but she never told me how she met him, so the kid was born and there where good for 1 year. Until she would sneak out of work with my cousin and staring cheating on this guy with other guys. One time she sneaked out of work and the guy who was with her was waiting for her and she came to her house until 3 am he was mad and he staring screaming at her he was taking care of all her kids. She called the police and accused him for domestic violence but my cousin told me that he was just yelling at her after she told him that she was sleeping with some other guy. Well the guy was deported and never knew about him. So she was officially back to her bad habits sleeping with many guys I cant tell you how many guys she slept with.
One time two missionaries showed up in her house and talked about the church so I guessed she liked it, so I though it was good. After they left she told me that she called them or she made a appt with them because her next door neighbor told her that the church help a lot with the kids, housings, and food. So she loved it so she got into the church. But I did notice that she didn’t go out as much, but she was still talking to all this dude’s and sleeping with them. This is Janet became extremely crazy she staring lying to the church so much she said that she was rape a few times and it was unreliable.
While going to church she met this guy that didn’t know English or anything one time he got really drunk and made him sign a POA or a Author paper to get her a apartment. She moved to this apartment and she didn’t pay and got convicted so she ruined this poor guy credit and he had to pay all this fee and when the guy tried to get back to her she showed him the Authr letter. So there wasn’t much he could do.
After a few years she met this her currently husband. So this is the story about there life. I was back been her friend. So her the father of her first kid he had a cousin who she was still friend with him. So one time we were all drinking a few tequila shots when he shows up. So we starting talking and when she was like chanito that was the guy name, you should bring me a boyfriend she was I really need a boyfriend so the guy was like I have a cousin so he called this cousin and came over so they met, until he moved in her house. But she was still talking to other guys and sleeping with them but she didn’t care that she is LDS and she was going to settle her life with her husband. After a few years she was pregnant with a girl that its he’s daughter they moved to a house that they rent. She had her baby, but she was still lying, sleeping with other guys. She had this one friend but it was her other lover he would give her money, presents and other things she would treat him so bad like crazy bad. At the same time she was sleeping with my uncle who he had he’s wife. He would visit her at work, he actually give her one time 15, 000 dollars that she spent it in 24 days exactly I am not joking. After that she saw her 3rd child’s dad that reported to child support that he didn’t give her any money for 10 years so this when the guy lost he’s house and give her 45, 000 and spend it in 2 month. She starter a new job and met this guy and she told him that she needed 3000 and that she was going to pay back and never did. She slept with him. After a few month she quit her job starter working with her brother and met this other guy and she told him to let her borrow 5, 000 dollars and he did, while she was talking to this guy from Georgia and give her 3, 000 dollars the guy even moved to Utah to be with her. She only lasted a month with this guy from Georgia and she still with her husband. She was talking to this other guy from Texas and she paid for his flight to move to Utah, and got her pregnant with her 7 child while with her husband. She made her husband believed that the kids its he’s when actually she doesn’t know who the dad is and she still in church, its amazing.
What makes me mad is that she got all her kids and she cheats on her husband every day and in front of her kids. She kisses the other guys in front of her oldest daughter’s who they have talk to there bishop about it and they do anything because she still there. She even told everyone in church that she was rape when she wasn’t she was irresponsible and sleeping with other guys while having her husband and going to church. She made everyone believe all this lies and ruining other people lives and family. It makes me mad because she got 6 six kids and she does stuff with this other guys in front of kids. It’s a shamed to have a human in this world of that kind. I hate it; it makes me so mad so I asked please do something because she is lying all you guys and the church about her life. When she is a criminal and a psycho.
I would like to ask, is it okay to a mormon member to have many wives? Does the church tolerate it?
My In Laws are Momin with my father in law being the Bishop of the Chapter in Halfway, Oregon. My in laws have never liked me. And I do mean never.
Recently my husband walked out. Multiple affairs and apparently a mid life crisis. With this happening the in laws are just thrilled, of course my husband has done nothing but lie about his actions and how everything in my fault.
With his father being the Bishop of a church I want to know whom I can file a complaint with. In the past five years they have been the biggest hypocrites I know. To the point that my husband is allowed to stay at their house but not myself or daughters. I have had all the fun I can with these actions so I am seeking some help. I know this is not the manner accepted by the churches rules. So its time to shut the crap down.
Someone or something is preventing me from replying with truth to this message. After 15 to 20 times trying to publish my original comment here, I tried an experiment. I wrote the comment "Wow. I'm really sorry". I wanted to see if THAT post would be published. That post went through on try number one! My TRUE response is being blocked. There are no swears in that post. I gave advice and spoke only the truth. Obviously there is software installed here on this web site that "pings" me if I write a certain word or a certain 3 letters. Someone is making sure my posts aren't published. That should scare you.
the lds set up complaint boards is like this that are against them in order to find you & punish you
Wow. I'm really sorry!
My suggestion, besides the restraining order is the following: Move back to the east coast. The Mormons just don't have the numbers there. People are wayyyy too smart to buy in to their pathology. It's out west where the LDS "church" has gotten its claws into people. Their numbers keep increasing, due to the sheer number of babies they force their wives into bearing and the recruitment tactics that work on the unsophisticated. The LDS "tentacles" have not been able to reach into and penetrate the savvy, cautious easterners, though. (FL is somewhat of an exception). Northeasterners, however, just won't put up with that BS. If you trespass on a New Englander's property, he/she will intelligently curse at you using big words, then he/she will hire a schiester lawyer to make SURE you never return. Out west, people are downtrodden, poor, uneducated, impressionable and easily bullied. Why do you think the MORMONS chose Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, etc., for their "business ventures" and "recruitment"? Hitler did the same thing. He overtook impoverished, beaten-down people that just needed something to cling to. He easily convinced him he was EVERYTHING. They desperately craved something to believe in and belong to, so they followed him like lemmings. Sound familiar? Hitler taught HATE; so does the LDS "church". If you move to the northeast, you'll face cold weather. But the Mormons will NEVER bother you again. The Mormons don't show up where they can't recruit idiots and they have no credibility to the people in New England, NY, NJ. Trust me.
Aside from having no theological founding to stand on, the mormon thing is a very lucrative company which washes its ill-gotten profits overseas under the guise of "tax levied religious" contributions. Jewdeism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrism, Ba'hai and so on...those are religious endevours. Mormons are eating away at the U.S.A. and every other Country's culture and are disguised criminals. Do not trust them, and please...if you don't want them in the U.S.A. as I do quite understand you don't and even agree with you, do not send them to Portugal? Many thanks!
I don't understand the mormon church religios. I want to live the mormon church for some times every where I move they continue comming acting like is there job to haunt me know I notice that some members has move to be my neigbords. calling me to go the church constanly. what to do? how can they have the ability to get address and phone number? there is anything I can do please someome help me...
Harassment
My Cousin Angela suggested a Church to go to the Mormon Church in Lancaster, CA that would help me to relocate to another county because of an ex's abuse toward me and my children. I attended a couple of services and partook in their communion services as well. Well it had something in the water they were giving out because it felt as though it like a...
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I agree with llllb...I'm transgender (TG) and have attended a few so-called "loving congregations" or "progressive churches" that end up speaking out of their ###, but I've learned and moved on. Sure, it hurts, but after all, it's the relationship with my Father I desire.
I never can understand why some people are so much into drama. I have been an in-active LDS church member for 10 years and never experienced any harrassment of any sort. When dealing with missionaries or members trying to make contact, it is simple to say, no thank you, with common courtesy and politeness. There is no need to make a big huge formal campaign and get off lists. These are people with families and lives and some random non-member is not the big deal they think they are. I have traveled the four corners of the US and traveled abroad. I have met many different religions and cultures and obviously some people take religion or politics to an extreme, but some arrogant people think they are sooo important and are really the needy desperate for attention types that think they are being harrassed when no one really cares about their boring selves.
I wonder if the "for profit" Monson has revelations when he clips off a turd?
Huh? My dad is in the Bishopric and has been a member for over 30 years and he hasn't seen or heard of such a thing. As Dawn wrote that must be your ward or district area.
Stop being gay and no one will label you.
Good thing I haven't gone to far in the repentance process. I'm done. The Church can go screw itself. I'm sure after marking me as a second class member they will still want 10% of my income in tithing... ### you!