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just going through a 4 month process of getting my refund. Been dealing with Peter Frivaldi and sent me to the account manager Loudres Torres. Loudres Torres does not have a contact number of course and is unreachable via telephone. Her email address is pretty much useless as the rest of the company is. She doesn't respond to any of her emails. I sent her multiple emails and just forwards them on for other people to handle. I.e. Peter Frivaldi. Peter has been the most professional at this point at returning calls and answering calls and emails. No one else has.
Steve Copeland who is the Director is not doing anything other than sitting on his ###. Lieing to me yesterday about being on a meeting; so he picks up the phone to see who it is, yea right, and said he would call me back on my 714 area code number. He knew my number off the top of his head. Because he must not answer it and has it blocked. He picked up his phone because i dialed him from a Arizona number. Gotcha ###. Unexpected for him so he doesn't call me back. Now i call him today, picks up but doesn't say anything then hangs up. Call him back twice and get the voicemail. Left a voicemail and email simultaneously. called a 4th time and he picked up knowing who it was and told me to take legal action for my refund that THEY STILL HAVE NOT PROCESSED. Which Steve said last month he would look into. Which i bet is a f**king lie.
See you f**kers in court. Orange County Superior Court, Newport Beach.
"After only 1 day of my update resume being posted on only 2 internet job boards, I have received calls/emails from 5 different companies wanting to speak with me regarding employment opportunities as a network engineer/administrator. Absolutely amazing! I can't wait to walk into these interviews because my technical skills are now sharp and my confidence is at an all time high."
I read you comment
Adman, did you get a job or not.
What happen!
What the update!
Thanks guys for the heads up. I was about to email them an application with my dollars for the internship. Hopefully I can contribute with a legit site as soon as find it.
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thanks everyone for the tips. this just did not seem right. spoke with joshua cheng from tech pros but wanted to check them out first. you saved me 495.00
WOW... I am so glad I decided to research this company before I paid anything. Thank you all very much...
Above all, I would teach him to tell the truth Truth-telling, I have found, is the key to responsible citizenship. The thousands of criminals I have seen in 40 years of law enforcement have had one thing in common: Every single one was a liar.
J. Edgar Hoover
I am guessing no jobs have been obtained because I havent seen a response.
Just stating facts
Adman probably has better things to do than check the complaintsboard if he did get a job.
I finally made it to the end and here's my thoughts
I have paid all the Admin fees, just starting Phase I - so far so good
TGP is a business... in the business of making money... they are not doing it to improve the world, or help out the underdog. They are doing it for money, and i cant blame them for making money... or at least trying.
They get there money one of 2 ways,
1 - you pass everything, get a job, and they take 19% (15-19k ish)
2 - you fail, drop out, whatever... and you owe the 20k for training... (which I'm sure is in the fine print but there not to up front about)
so there making 20k a year off of every successful OR not successful "student" .
Sounds like a business to me.
What gets me is, why do i need TGP... I could buy the books myself for less then all the Fee's. From what I understand you get these paperback lab books, a boot camp in Cali, and a t-shirt. I could also get a T-shirt and lab books and still be under the cost of the fees... so the question is - "is a 2 weeks boot camp worth all these fees?"
I would like to know if:
Someone went through this boot camp and was NOT satisfied with all it had to offer
-If anyone had gotten a Job because of this
- and if anyone started with NO IT background
I will probably take advantage of Phase I, a boot camp elsewhere can cost 5K + ... but as for Phase II... either way I'm loosing $20k. I would rather spend it on training, tutors, even a 5k boot camp...
The final Kicker is that a job is not guaranteed (correct me if I'm wrong). Even the people saying good things about TGP didn't say they landed a job... just X number of phone calls or interviews.
So final thoughts are:
-I'm more convinced its a badly run company then a Fraud
-Phase I... I will take full advantage of
-but Phase II... I could do better for 20k
and if anything I said was untrue... Call me out on it. I'm not here to lie I'm just here to help everyone understand who they're putting their trust, money, and future into.
Hello Cheaptrick,
I found a testimonial online about a Tech Pros Group candidate with no IT experience; it looks like she is currently working in one of those internships. I copied and pasted her testimonial below:
Prior to my involvement with Tech Pros, I had no true IT experience. I had graduated from college burnt out and directionless. Grad school plans had fallen through and I had to find a career I would like.
It seems so obvious in hindsight: I've always felt drawn to computers. With my CCNA little brother, I had been playing with computers and my home network (9 computers and peripherals) for years and troubleshooting my- and my family's computers, though I had never taken a computer course. I had grown up only a few miles from Microsoft's main campus, immersed in Microsoft culture in a Microsoft environment, surrounded by engineer uncles and cousins and friends. They were the people I felt most comfortable with and I did know that I wanted to join them.
I had never been inclined to take computer science courses, let alone a computer science or engineering degree, preferring a degree in Latin and ancient Greek. How could I, with my varied interests and determination not to be like my engineer uncle who knew nothing of Renoir's paintings, and having rejected traditional training actually find a viable way into IT, where—I noticed during my first post-college job—people seemed to have the most freedom and the most fun? The only things in my favor were my quick study ability, my determination to learn and my comfort with computers.
So I started looking for a new job and an affordable training program and found Tech Pros and their offer to train me up in a growing IT field to a mid-level position more quickly and making more money than through a doctorate program. I applied and was confident that if it was right I would make it. I did.
Tech Pros' course, as I experienced it, was refreshingly designed to teach the skills actually used without all the "extras" that one finds in textbooks or classes. The staff at Tech Pros at the camp, in remote support and in communication were helpful and friendly. Tech Pros' service was perfect for someone like me, a college graduate wanting to get into IT but not knowing how due to not having a technical background or training. And it's perfect for people already in a career to learn how to advance, professionally and technically.
The two weeks of camp were an incredible high. I was so high on excitement and adrenaline for two weeks straight that it took me a week afterward to get out of adrenaline withdrawal. I was so excited to be surrounded for the first time in my life by bright minds willing to learn and work really hard, to be surrounded by staff and professionals providing experience and concrete skills in both IT and in career advancement. I was excited to be so stimulated mentally doing something I love: working with computers with people not only willing but glad and eager to help me become a master
Currently, I am well on my way to a career that beginning my career as the youngest of my work group where I had only dreamed: in IT working as an engineer at Microsoft, like so many of my friends and relatives.
I am so happy for a way —even with my broad interests and prior lack of formal IT experience—to enter IT at a comfortable starting salary. Now I too, like my cousins and so many of my friends, like I had dreamed, am an engineer at Microsoft.
Katherine Davey
Deployment Engineer
Microsoft
The above "testimonial" was generated in part by Tech Pros group and is not an unbiased review of the training they provide.
On a side note, looks like Tech Pros has their next name to fall back on - http://lanwanprofessional.com. Once enough people complain about the current biz, they'll close up and change names. Wash, rinse, and repeat.
i was stupid enough to pay for all the training...i paid for application, registration, books and xams also...i didnt know that in the beginning...i didnt check over the internet...i was desperate 2 get the job..even i cleared their initial xals then they charged me for some xams 1000$ in total...now i am reading all this ...it sucks...not kool at all...i was working in fast food place to save that money..and i need my money back..is there any way to get my money back guys...i heard abt claim in court ...i need help...
Don't panic Deep, I also applied and I am happy I did; it just makes logical sense to me. I came across the testimonial (copied and pasted from the internet) below and I heard that Tech Pros Group has a current placement rate of over 90%. They had some issues prior to 2007 when their placement rate was only 60%. They didn't have stage 1 free training back then and I think that now they have a solid system in place. They keep referring to the "right candidate" on their website www.lanwanprofessional.com and they discourage you from applying if you answer "No" to one of their 5 questions. Anyways, good luck to you.
Prior to enrolling in the Tech Pros Group LAN/WAN Engineer program, I was not completely convinced with the training methods. After graduating from the program, I could not possibly be any more satisfied with the quality of the training!
Before graduating from the LAN/WAN Engineer program, I had been working at a small IT Consulting company, and rarely received the opportunity to work with enterprise, cutting-edge technology. Now with my current position (Jr. Network Engineer), I am working with advanced enterprise technology all the time. I am also making more than double that of my last job!
The entire LAN/WAN Engineer program is PERFECT for those who are passionate in the IT industry, and desire to advance their skills. The program offers a complete package to help YOU land a job including:
- Professional training/preparation for successful interviewing
- Hands On Technical training/activities for enhancing skills
I was well beyond satisfied with the quality of the LAN/WAN Engineer program! I would recommend the program to anyone who desires to build on his/her experience in the IT industry!
Thank You,
Morgan Stoller
LanWANDude sounds like Steve Copeland making up yet another post, He doesnt want you to sue him. DONT PAY THEM NOTHING> I DIDNT> AND NEVER WILL>
HA HA HA HA HA HA>
I know others who didnt pay either, DONT GIVE THEM ANYTHING.
Well so far I'm only a week into stage 1 in this program. I am having fun with it. I do have an associates in computer information science and am (A+, NET+ certified). The support i have been getting has been great so far.
It has been working out...thank you Mr Patrick Pule.
Wait, is this morgan stoller?
http://www.tripractix.com/team/engineering/morgan_stoller
I googled tpg because I myself came across them two and a half years ago. I was curious if they were still around and how they were doing. To my amazement, I came across this! Not sure what is true or not, but like a previous poster said, everything is a business. If(keyword here) you walk away from their program with all those certs that i recall, the 20K will come easy, presuming you know the material, not the answers to test q's.
But then again, if you are just a paper-cert, then you got ripped, and people who hire will see right through your countless certs...
Yep Steve, that's Morgan Stoller alright; there is a match with his video testimonial on their website. Looks like he was the "right candidate" and got a great job through Tech Pros Group; I am pretty sure he is NOT paper certified.
After almost two years, I decided to find out whether Tech Pros Group went out of business or change their name. I went to Google and typed "tech pros group." Surprise! Their website comes out first, and second this complaint board. I guess Steve Copeland is still stealing money from people all over the country.
Steve Copeland also stole money from me. Almost two years ago, on my search for training, I found TPG on career builder, I applied, etc. I travelled all the way to CA from NJ. During the orientation, Steve Copeland let us know that they cancelled the program. He proposed to give us a lab, and after the lab, he'd give us the exam questions and answers. Since I had just obtained my MCSE by studying my ars off and I was searching for more hands on training, I reluctantly accepted to do the one-day lab and then train myself for the CCNA at their premises. However, they never gave me a CCNA lab. They gave me the questions, but I decided to go for a CCNA training and go back to NJ. I'm not a mediocre professional who memorizes the answers to pass the test and then claim I know. That's not me. So, I didn't go that route.
As of today, Steve Copeland hasn't given me money back from the tests he charged me for and I didn't take. There were some other charges that I needed reimbusement as well. I can't remember.
I filed a complaint with the deparment of education in CA, and they said that their department was going to be shut down. I sent all the information to the education division at Cisco and Microsoft. Hopefully, they did their thing.
Their new scam can be found at www.lanwanprofessional.com
I think the camp was great and has helped me so much in training and getting my certifications and would recommend this program to people that are able to handle all the course work and test taking.
THIS IS NOT A SCAM, i attended the boot camp Jan. 10, 2008 and can say it is legit!
Peter is a great guy and those post above do not personally know him, I have met him in person and can say if you put the time into it, it will pay off!
Hi everyone. I can only speak on my experiences with LAN/WAN Pros. I just got back from the 7 day CCNA/CCNP boot camp. I am so stoked. I got more hands on training in 3 days at LAN/WAN Pro then 2 weeks of training at Global Knowledge. And Global Knowledge cost me over $5000 as compared to about $900 with L/W Pros. The staff was very professional and Ray Choi, our trainer, is one of the most intelligent Network Engineers I've ever come across. I must be honest though. You need to have some basic Cisco IOS and networking knowledge or else you will get over whelmed. They have you doing advanced labs on day one. So this is not for the faint of heart. You have to study your ###-off so sleep is at a minimum. Because the game plan is to get you at a minimum CCENT certified. Their labs and study material is on point and trimmed of all the fat, so you get to the core knowledge of Cisco 1&2 at a rapid pace. Again they present you with the labs, lectures and cert preps, but it basically will come down to you and how much you want this. This was a great decision for me because it has expedited my process of getting my CCNP without making me a paper cert. I am so syked that I now know VLANS, STP, VTP and how to set up a Frame Relay and understand the concepts behind them.
OK... Here goes... ANY company that says they are giving traing away for FREE and then says it cost $95... is LYING!
I applied for the internship and of course was accepted into stage 1 ( like I'm pretty sure everyone else is). I paid my $95 and after reading the about the program more thoroughly I discovered this site and many others like it. I decided I wanted to bail out so I emailed Patrick Pule for a refund. He gave it to me no questions asked.
It's not really a scam. It's more marketing tricks. Everything you need to know is in fine print. I learned my lesson though.
These guys may now be working as LAN/WAN Professioanl.com See the email I got below and watch out!
My name is Patrick Pule and I am the Director of Client Relations for LAN/WAN Professional. I want to personally inform you that you have been conditionally approved to receive the $6, 995 training grant to be used for the CCNA/CCNP Certification Focused Training Program.
The CCNA/CCNP Certification Focused Training Program includes 2 weeks of remote CCNA Hands-On Training (40 hours) that culminates in you attending a 3 day CCNP Hands-On Boot Camp that is held in Orange County, California (30 hours). Upon camp completion, you will receive 6 week of CCNA/CCNP remote certification training (120 hours) that is designed to get you fully certified as a CCNA and CCNP.
The $6, 995 grant covers 100% of the cost of the training. Please note that you will be responsible for a $99 camp registration fee, Cisco hands-on lab guide ($195) and dormitory style lodging/meals during the 3 day camp ($99 X 2). Camp registration fee is due upon full confirmation and the Cisco hands-on lab guide and lodging/meals fee is due on the first day of camp. If you are fully accepted in the CCIE Consultant Training and Placement Program your camp registration and lodging/meals fees will be fully reimbursed.
To get full confirmation, please download and fully complete the $6, 995 Grant Confirmation Form as instructed and return your confirmation form by the confirmation deadline stated below.
Confirmation Deadline: 5:00pm (PST) on Friday, September 18, 2009.
Please return the form via fax or e-mail to me as listed on the confirmation form by the deadline mentioned above. If we do not receive your confirmation form by the deadline listed above, your grant will be given to the next qualified candidate on our list. Within 2 business days after receipt of your confirmation form, I will contact you to conduct a routine phone verification.
The purpose of the verification is to validate that you are a qualified and serious candidate and to confirm your camp date. During the phone call, I will be happy to answer any questions regarding the training and provide tips and suggestions on how to successfully prepare for the camp.
Candidates desiring to attend a 3 day camp listed as LIMITED should turn in their confirmation form as soon as possible to ensure their spot.
If you have any questions please feel free to contact me by phone or e-mail. Thank you for considering LAN/WAN Professional as your partner in your information technology success. I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely,
Patrick Pule
Director of Client Relations
Tel: [protected]
Fax: [protected]
E-mail: ppule@lanwanprofessional.com
has anybody sued them?
Very misleading this company. They said they would find you a job but the truth is they will just tell you to post your resume to all the job search engines on the net. Once you're done with the program, they will keep harassing you if you are looking for a job while they specifically put on their site that they will help you find a job.
After reading all the above comments I am confussed. Some say they are scams and other say they are not. I just completed the Stage 1 remote phase and moving into stage 2. They just completed a background and credit check for me and said i was approved to move on to the 4day ccna camp in Cali. They want me to pay lodgeing/meals-$99/day, CCNA-$250, and CCNP-$600. I don't know if i should go ahead with this, any advise...
Thanks,
...
Scammed.