Bionic Band review: Bionic bullcrap 266

2 Canoe

I can't type, I don't care.

Just because the FDA have not prosecuted you it doesn't mena that youa re not breaking the law. I suggest you are prefectly aware that you are and unlike my typing you should care. Mind you if you want to divert on to my typing it shows a lack of any credible argument on the points I am making. (no surprise there).

They exist partly to stop con ment ripping people off. They have a clear set of rules for licensing products. Bionic Band breaks these rules, and the only reason to break them is if the product does not do what it says it does. I tell you what, why not just submit the product to the FDA for testing. Go on, surely you wouldn't have a problem with that, after all you say it works. Surely you could just ask New World and they will say yes, as they say it works. Go on ask them if they would mind if you submit it for the FDA license so that you are not breaking the law.

Fanigo
report me put up or shut up. What about the FDA record.? Thalidomide, Ritalin, etc, If bionicBand is a rip off which it is not, whats the worst case scenario. Let it go my freind it is too trivial for anyone to care. 98% critics havent tried it, Let it go ! you will hardly get a blimp on the consumer complaint index.

Canoe

So what you are saying is you will only stop if you are caught by the authorities. That sucks.

You thinkn people being ripped off is too trivial, whislt you make money from it. you are [censor]

Faniago
How scientific is calling me [censor]. I think you wouldn't accept scientific results. You have judged me without a trial. that makes you as bad. I am willing to submit to any test or go where ever this is a free country and just because you don't like it you only have your biased opinion on this until then I am innocent . The onus is on you buddy. Does any body out there want to try a product that has many like myself noticed PAIN relief without drugs. You have nothing to lose money back if not satisfied. BionicBand
PS. It definitely wont work if you don't try it. Completely Legal. (As far as I can tell) [censored]o says I am breaking the law..LOL

No, I have seen that you are making money from a product which cannot legally be sold without an FDA license.

You are deliberately breaking the law, to make money, tht is what makes you [censor].

I have informed you that the product needs an FDA license, to be sold, and quoted the relevant section of the law on medical devices under which the product is required to have the license. Yet still you pretend that it's ok for you to make money from an unlicensed product. This is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of law, and what makes this country a free country is having laws that protect people, you are prepared to break them for personal gain, that's what makes you [censor]. There is no onus on me to do anything, you obviously have no grasp of either criminal or civil law.

You say what's the worst case wel the worst case is what we have, an untested product, who's scientific explanation does nto work at all, and whcih if it did work as stated woudl actually mean that all of he protons were pulling int he same direction ath eh same time leading to a reduction in balance, and bizarrely a claim of greater cellular communication, except for the communication of pain. The science doesn't work.

As you are prepared to submit for any tests I call your bluff (and it is so clealy a bluff) to submit your product for the required testing with the FDA.

Regulations are here

http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/Overview/ClassifyYourDevice/ucm051512.htm

The Bionic Band claims to align the protons, and therfore alters teh strucutre of the body, via a non-chemcicla method, therefore the band falls under the medical device regualtiosn which state

If a product is labeled, promoted or used in a manner that meets the following definition in section 201(h) of the Federal Food Drug & Cosmetic (FD&C) Act it will be regulated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as a medical device and is subject to premarketing and postmarketing regulatory controls. A device is:

"an instrument, apparatus, implement, machine, contrivance, implant, in vitro reagent, or other similar or related article, including a component part, or accessory which is:

- recognized in the official National Formulary, or the United States Pharmacopoeia, or any supplement to them,
- intended for use in the diagnosis of disease or other conditions, or in the cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease, in man or other animals, or
- intended to affect the structure or any function of the body of man or other animals, and which does not achieve any of it's primary intended purposes through chemical action within or on the body of man or other animals and which is not dependent upon being metabolized for the achievement of any of its primary intended purposes."

Not opinion, as I say, it's law, a law you are breaking for personal gain. You are [censor].

I don't believe that law applies. You say it does. In your opinion I am [censor]. I could have a hay day with you in court my bia assed friend sorry about the typing. ( I see your are making a better effort at typing). Your total case is based on your opinion that the BIONICBAND doesnt work and but more than that you would have to prove intent to make a case of fraud. Shame on you for name calling very un-professional in my opinion. How old are you ? When did your brain stop working . In my opinion I am dealing with a Chimp or the lower end of the IQ homo sapion

No, you could nto have a hay day with me, the defence of fair comment exists, which given that the sciecne quoted by the website being baloney, would be fine.

As for it being my opinion that the band falls under the FDA regulations, actually not just mine, also that of Cynthia Benson of the FDA, who said in e-mail to me

" Your interest in contacting the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) through your recent email is appreciated.

After looking at the website whose link you provided and seeing the claims of pain relief and more, it appears that the Bionic Band would qualify as a medical device under the regulatory authority of the FDA. You can read more about this authority at the FDA medical device website of http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/Overview/ClassifyYourDevice/ucm051512.htm .
If you wish to pursue this matter with the FDA, may I ask that you forward this information to the Office of Regulatory Affairs here? That office entertains many concerns about internet sales of medical products and can be contacted at webcomplaints@ora.fda.gov.

Thank you for your conscientious effort in this matter."

So expert opinion from one fo the regulators is clearly on my side. I have given reasons why I think the law applies, you have just said you don't hink it does. So logic is on my side. it appears that greed is on your side in denying that the law applies as you have given not a single reason. The law I am saying you are breaking is not teh fraud law, it is the law regarding obtaining a license form the FDA. I do not have to prove one way or the other that the badn does nto work for you to be breakign that law, which you clearly are.

As for it not working, I have given reasoned argument as to why the science quoted is complete baloney, all you have come back with is "it works try it". If you think I am low IQ, or a chimp, the fact that I am providing reasoned arguemnts, yet you provide nothign in return would appear to indiciate that you must certainly be lower on the IQ scale than I. the fac tthat I have actually looked at the science quoted and established that it is baloney, rather than takign it as read that it must be true seems to place you lower ont eh IQ scale than me. the fact that I have been able to locate and understadn the regualtions regardin gthe sales of medical devices, and establish correctly (as confirmed by an officer ofhte FDA) that this product falls under the regulations, rahter than just deciding to sell something which needs a license without obtaining one, woudl indicate that you are lower on the IQ scale than me.

So what reasoned argument are you going to offer? I guess none, you are too busy selling the product illegally and making money from desperate people who cannto recognise the balance tests etc for what they are, parlour tricks that are over a century old that have been used to "prove" products work time and again, when there has been nothing but placebo.

OK I have had enough fun with this. I have to attend to sales at this point. FDA. has numbers listed I would be willing to bet they are not interested in BionicBand . I dont even think the fuaud squad would give this the time of day. I know you (Fanigo) would love to prove something but realistically these is all opinion, speculation, and conjuncture. that's where this issue will remain. I truly believe this product works beyond any placebo effect but of course Fanigo believes other wise. This is the real world and we are human being with rights to make up our own minds. Simple as this If you dont want to try this product just dont its your right. Fanigo you are within your rights to express an opinon in this forum. Go for it.
Thanks for reading Merry Christmas

Yep, I was right, no reasoned argumetn offered, just an invitation to buy it. No reasoned arguemtn whyCynthia Benson ethe Small Manufacturer Advisro fo teh FDA is wrong to say the rpoduct falls udner the regulations. Nothign. Just keep paying over your money to someone who has not even teh decency to look at the sciecne to see tht it doesn't work, but just wants you to pay them your cash.

Your breaking up again [censored]o opinion, conjecture,

Nothing but conjecture from you I am afraid, I provided reasoned arguemnts, you ignore them and provide just your opinion, and a request for people to pay you based upon your opinion.

It's not just my opinion that the product needs FDA approval, it is also Ms Bensons, and she specifically works for the FDAin this area. So I guess she woudl be right (and backs my opinion). You see I bother to reasearch to form my opinions, not just research whether I can make some money out of people.

Let it go. Ms Bensons has her opinion also. but will she pursue charges, that would infringe on other rights and freedoms. I think not. Let it go.

Canoe

What? enforcing the law woudl infringe upon your rights and freedoms? Garbage. you are breakign the law, there isn't a right or freedom that menas you are allowed to do that in this case.

Take it easy. I tried the product and I feel it worked for me. I should have the right to pursue happiness. I can tell others. I feel I have that right. FDA is meant to test drugs and other devices so they don't harm others. They wont give this product the time of day and if they did it would be a waste of tax payers money. I f I want to buy the product and even sell it that should be my right. No one is fruading anyone. they can always get their money back. As for the goofy tests they do, I thinks there may be some gimmick to it but I am not sure. I bought because of the money back offer and kept mine and wear it all the time. I confess I don't sell them, I was jerking your chain a little, sorry about that. If the FDA has a law that I am breaking well they can come and try to get it off my wrist.
THE LETTER OF THE LAW KILLTH BUT THE SPIRIT GIVETH LIFE. Thats the law I will adhere to sorry. As for Bensens I am sure she got you side real well. Just ask her for me if this is worthy of carring to the next step.

Nope, the FDA exist to license products, partly so that peopel don't get ripped off by being sold placebo's. If someone thinks the placebo is working and so does nto take their real drugs that harms them.

You do nto have the right to sell a placebo or make medical claims about one, the FDA have arole in ensuring you do not do that. You say "no one is frauding anyone", what? Bionic Band is supposed to align your protons, if it doesn't that is fraud. Aligning your protons is claimed to give health benefits, if it doesn't that is fraud. Do you understand what fraud is? Offering a money back guarantee does not make the claim any les fraudulent, they rely on people feelign a placebo effect notto return it. They therefore make money by providing aproduc thtat does not do what it says. You do understnad that surely?

As for Ms Benson, well she obviously thinks this is in need of regulation, but her department is not enforcement.

Simple fact is that teh sciecne doesn't work, and if you think you are benfiting it is a placebo effect. Simple fact is that peopel who chose to rely ont eh placebo effect of thsi after being told it has the ability to help them, and do not take their properly regulated and tested drugs will be harmed. You thintk he spirit of the law shoudl eb anyone can sell whatever they like as long as people are prepared to buy it, and can say whatever they like to make their money out of the gullible. I don't think that is the spirit of any law that I woudl like to see in this country.

For all those that think Quantum Energy Medicine or negative charged ion bands don't work, do your home work. Inner Health Concepts has done just that. IHC has developed the next generation of ion therapy bands. Marketed under the name iPower Health Bands.This company will do a ion test with a ion meter and a EMF meter to prove the band works. I have seen it for myself. The physical test are one thing but when you add scientific technology that is a totally different game. The ipower Health band averaged over 1800 ions per cubic cm. They did a electromagnetic frequency (EMF) test with a cell phone and the reader was off the chart. When they placed the band on top of the phone the reading was reduced dramatically. My final conclusion is that some bands work better than others. Find out which company is in business to help people and improve lives. Knowledge is power. empower yourself.

mobilesounder

Yes they have created a solution to reduce EMF readings (or so they say, I have yet to see any independnet research showing that the band acheves this. However, they have shown nothing about how this woudl effect balance or strength, or pain relief. So yes they shodul market it as being able to reduce EMF, but saying it does anything else woudl be unproven hogwash. The physical tests are still the same old parlout tricks, as can be seen by them workign with so many other products which DONT do what ipower claim to do. Linking the two is scammoing in it's purest form.

Fanigo
Your obvious bias and conclusions are disgusting. It would not matter who did what, You have lost all credibility in this forum and and the only conclusion and rational reader could come to is that you are a fake. I recommend the Discussion Police ban you from making any more comments on the grounds your comments are too unintelligent to be human. Don't bother commenting for my benefit I will not be reading any more posts. What size of Army boots does your mother wear?

Canoe

Yawn, yet another post with not a single counter argument to the evidenced thought out and logical posts I made. Well done, especially on trying to insult my mother. You provide no basis for any of your arguments, yet call me unintelligent. You may want people who offer reasoned argument, actual analysis of the science, historical background of the so called proofs, critical discussion of the processes etc banned because you cannot provide any sort of counter to this, but please don't pretend that it makes the person makign these comment unintelligent if they don't just believe the bull that you have clearly bought into.

Happy Christmas one and all.

Fangio
Thought out logical? You want testing, you have already drawn your conclusions and judged them as scammers fakes and [censor]. Then you pretend to be logical. I cant stop laughing, Did it every occur to you that there might be something to the BionicBand beyond placebo effect (placebo effect explains nothing). FDA track record speaks for its self (wouldnt that be joke)A pre-requisite to an intelligent exploration is an open mind. I would be fruitless to present you with various test when you have already drawn your conclusions. For this product testimonies is all the prof that should be required. Quantum Theroy is still being understood. Why not take advantage of an advanced technology before it gets exonerated by "science wannabe skeptics". Use it it works.
This product would better suited to to compared to prayer. Its everyone's right to pray. Everyone's right to pursue happiness. I dont need anyone to apply some science (your science isnt science)to anything. It works and I bought one and it works for me and it may work for you if you would try it. Alas it probably wouldnt help what ails you. A swift kick might do better .

You are an idiot. I want tests to prove what is obvious from the science quoted, that the ony effects are placebo.

Testimony is garbage, when the placebo effect will bring about the beleif that he product works when it actually does nothing. As you seemingly deny that he pacebo effect exists, or that it could eb responsible for the supposed efects fo the band I doubt you have the brain to investigate anything.

Simply put the sciecne quoted form Einstein applies only to metal witha frequency coming inot direct ocntact with LIQUID. It does nto work for non-liquids, no matter what the company pretend it says. Why don't you try loking it up and seeing that it does not work for non-liquids. What is your counter to that point?

Pedersens psuedoscientific explanation siad that imbalance was caused by the protons pulling in different directions. Suposedly the force of this pulsl us off balance, but if they are all aligned as per his explanation they woudl all pull in the same direction at the same time, which woudl be a greater pull than each one counterbalancing the others pulls. now either the pull has no effect, or all of the protons pulling in the same direction athe same time would cause greater imbalance. What is your counter to that?

The explanation provided by the company says that it creates better cellular communication, so how come it communicates pain worse?

The expolanation offers nothign that would reduce pain, not one thing. So why do you claim it does? What "sciecne" is being offered for this claim that cannot easily be attirbuted to placebo effect?

If someone can provide independent double blind tetsing, the sort that the company run away from, preferring instead to provide non double blind studies, great.

You say my sciecne isn't sciecne, well I have looked a tteh Einstein thoeries and none of it applies to this procduct. I have looked at teh tests, and the sciecne behind them is nothign to do with the band having any efect on balance or strength. so what science am I supposed to be looking at for this band, the manufacturers provide absolutley nothing else to go on. Their product cannot work as they describe. Pure and simpel it is impossible.

Now you can go on screaming "it works" and providing nothing at all to show that the band itself does naythgin, but you provide no sciecne at all and insult me and my mother instead. You are unable to examine anyghtin sciecntifically at all, and have no will to. You don't wnat to see that you have bought intot he emperors new clothes, but the tests that they use are over 100 year old parlour tricks and you have been conned. The peopel selling it using the balance tets as evidence are conning people, and are [censor], the tests do not even need a physicla placebo, the same tests were done holding up coloured cards in the 70's. People had better balance when showed a blue card than a pink one. Did that realign their protons? Of course not. So the tests are garbage and anyoen using them to make money are scamming people and are [censor].

You are still biased

My wife and I went to Dover for the Monster Mile NASCAR race in Sept. I am 39 yrs old and my wife is 37. I am always of the belief that if it is to good to be true then it usually is. My history prooves this, I left my home when I was 15 and grew up real fast! So I have seen my fair share of bullsh**! Now that you know what kind of guy I am I will tell you the no bullsh** story of this band. The guys demonstrating this band did a great job of showing what it could do. I did all the tests as well as my wife. Incredible! This must be bullsh**! Then he was about to do another demo on me without the band so I stopped him. I said let's do this one with the band this time first, thinking that my body was ready for the second time around trick, balanced and perpared. Not the case! I was strong at the start and weak after the first try without the band. I tried holding the band in different hands, wearing it vs holding it and all to the same result I was noticably stronger with it vs without it! Same as my wife. I took alot of this guys time so if you were to add up the cost of the band vs the time he spent with me (it was a good hour) then this probably was one of his toughest sales that day. He did not get mad though, he truely believed in the bands capabilities! That's why he had no problem spending the time with me. He also said if I did not like it to send it back to him, gave me his card, and he would refund all of my money! Now, I am a high pressure pipe welder and I work on concreat floors all day long. My feet and knees were killing me for about a year before we went to the NASCAR race. I went and got $500 orthotics for my boots to help me with my foot and knee pain and it was $500 dollars down the drain. No help the pain got worse. It was so bad at the end I could not stand for the full day at work I had to sit to relieve the pain. I bought one of these bands at the race because I thought that if it did by some chance work it would be well worth the $90. I bought the nice looking steel one that was a little more than the bracelet. It is December 26th today and let me tell you that I will not take this band off. My foot and knee pain is GONE! I sleep at nights like a baby and someone mentioned they dream more that is because you achieve a deeper sleep and I also dream more than I ever did. Now it doesn't take away everthing, I still get the odd ach or pain, but it doesn't last long at all where before it would last for days and my major pain is gone. I am not a distributor and don't plan on becomming one, I make lots of money as a union high pressure pipe welder and plan to keep on doing this. So as a non believer take it from me, the hocus pocus mind freak bullsh** WORKS. If you have any kind of achs and pains it does help tremendously, I sleep like a baby and I'm more rested than ever, my knee and foot pain is gone and it has been 3 months. I don't know the science although I was very good at physics in school so I understand the principles of the technology, regardless I don't care, for me it is about the benefits this band has given me. Pain relief! And if it is mind over matter who cares it still works! Explain this! My father was in a severe motorcycle accident when he was younger and I gave him one of these for Christmas. His one leg is shorter than the other by almost 2 inces because his ankle was destroyed and the bone is fused to the foot. He tried the Q-RAY but did not work it actually burnt his wrist where the magnets are. He has lots of pain day to day and I will write back with his update. Sorry for the long winded story but I thought as a sceptic I would tell my story endorsing this product. Thanks Bionic Band and if you have any cronic pain is it not worth a shot for reliefe of the pain! The cost is peanuts if it can relieve all or some of the pain you are experiencing!

Canoe

Biased? I looked athe evidence, in what way am I biased if I have loked at the evidence to make my decision? None. I have no vested interest.

No Nonsense71

The key word is IF it can relieve all or some fo the pain you are experienceing.

If it does absolutely nothing and is just a placebo then it is a caon. teh sciecne behind it shows absolutley nothing that would relieve pain in any way. So the IF becomes it can't. I am glad placebo had such a positive effect for you, but con men sellign you a aplacebo is wrong.

You say you understand the principles because of physics, garbage, there is no principle that says that "aligning" your protons will have nay positive effect, and the bit that says the protons will be aligned is a complete distortion of Einsteins work. So clearly you do not understnad the principle.

Until this product obtains FDA clearance don't give your money to conmen. If it really does do pain relief then they shoudl have no problem meetign the legal requirements to sell it for such. However, in the meantime the company and distributors will continue to post up "it stopped my pain" claims as you will always get with MLM models. Get the FDA clearance or get out of the market.

Fangio
read testimonies overwellming . Your calling people scammers and fruads proves your bias. Read read read. Users claim pain relief. No body needs to regulate this product. If it quits working no one will buy. harmless product that a lot of used dont care about your take. Results will rule. Whine if you want, call it untested write your [censor] off. I dont care. I and many other are going to where our bionicBands and you can suck a rope.

So no evidence to offer other than attribution which could be placebo (and in every other product that has been independently double blind tested using the same tests that Bionic Band claim shows their product works have been shown to be placebo).

Fine go ahead, wear it, however don't come on a complaints board saying it works when you haven't got a clue whether it is having any efect or whehter it is a placebo. Don't come on saying it works and peopel who disagree who have bothered to read the "science" behind it and can see it's complete BS are biased, clearly you are biased as you are sayign ti works with no evidecne AT ALL that it can work, and that the effects you are "feeling" are placebo.

And most of all, don't com eon here telling people nobody needs to regulate it, when clearly the LAW says they do.

Whats your angle Fangio I cant believe you would spend all this effort and fantasize on the evils of this great scam. Is there anyone else out there that believes this alarmist? Society just might self implode if we don't nip this in the bud. Dont use this product folks we cant be sure this wont harm you and and you are gambling with your children's future. Once you use it will be too late you will become sucked in and be morally lost and in the end you will have hell as your reward.
So folks take heed to [censored]io warnings life as we know is at stake here.
Or
what I say "Try it, you can always get you money back". It worked for Me
Canoe

No, it's a con that's all, this is a complaints board yet muppets like yourself come oin here to counter complaints with "I hitnk it works so there" and nothign else. My angel is that peopel like yourself flood boards like this with "positive" reviews with no backing, and have a oc, mplete disregard for the law and regulations. If you want to post on a board where no one will point out that there is no evidnce for this band doing anything then don't post on a complaints board.

It's not much time and effort I am watching TV and typing at the same time, hence the spelling errors.

Don't use this product it has never been tested, or shown to work in any way at all, and the law requires products which makes the claims it does to be tested. The only reason for not submitting for the testing is because it has no effect whatsoever. It is a con and despite the [censor]s posting on here that it works there is absolutley no way you should waste your money on a product makign grand claims with nothing at all to back it up. You woudl be being scammed, despite the mutterings of those who have eitehr bought or are sellign the emperors new clothes to you.

Now Canoe, if you think I am spending too much time on this don't be a hypiocrite stop posting.

Fangio
Complaints board is a for and against forum. Did you think only whiners are allowed? I guess that explains why you think everyone should subscribe to your biased rants. Funny thing I am watching TV also. I am starting to be like you and true I am way too much on this subject but hey I am getting some pleasure in insulting you and seeing how your typing goes as I hit the spot. (I don't find your insults to me very entertaining try harder please)
Whats wrong with testimonies anyway? The bible says we will overcome "with the blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony"
The New testament is based on testimony, Is Jesus a fraud and scammer? Just because it is based on testimony.
What I am saying is You cant and shouldn't claim my testimony is false and call me a fraud. Of course you can but It still is my testimony and and true to me. Bionic Band works try it .It reduced the pain in my back it may or may not work for you. If you have tried everything else and never got results try Bionic Band You have nothing to lose you can get your money back.

If your testimony is that you used the bionic band and your pain reduced, fine.

If your testimony is that the bionic band works, garbage it does not the sciecen they quote does not work, and there is no evidecne that the band itself does anything whatsoever.

If your testimony is that the bionic band reduced your pain, again garbage, no evidence for that whatsoever.

Just because the scammers sellign the product provide absolutely no evidence but say you can have your moeny back if the placebo effect doesn't happen it does not mean there is no fraud and no scam. i don't get what you don't understand about that. Taking money off people when advertising that your product has a physcial effect when it simply does not is fraud and a scam, which is reliant on people fceeling a placebo efect to make sure they make money. Your testimonyt if it in any way attributes the "pain relief" you felt to the band having any effect is false and you are a fraud.

PS, that's not an insult it is a statement of fact.

Pretty hard to follow your reasoning. but you sound like you are convinced it is all placebo. I can understand that and it is exactly what I thought it would be. I have used it for 6 weeks. I just finished driving 300 miles today. no back pain. poor science maybe, but honestly no back pain, that hasn't happened that way for years. All I can say is since I have put on the BionicBand my back has not been this good for years and it may be worth a try, Even if there wasnt a money back option $65 for a no side effect trial cant be all that bad. Calling me [censor] and a scammer is not called for.

Sorry now you are seriously taking it into shaky ground. Bionic Band has no FDA approvla. It claims to alter the structure of the structure of te body, yet there is absolutley no evidence of a trial for the side efects of aligning your "protons", no studies what so ever. There is no evidence of any trials of long term effects etc and they are unlikley to exist as they won't go for approval. So if you claim it works, you cannot claim that there are no side efects, as you have no eidence for that.

I have no doubt there are no side effects, as the band has no scientific chance of aligning th protons the sciecne simply does not work. That is why it is placebo all the way, I am convicned of that by the fact, and i'll say it again for you, their science does not work. It cannot be anything other than placebo.

People who sell placebo's are [censor], when you said you were selling them I rightly called you [censor]. If you don't hinnk that sellign an unapproved product, that costs cents to make, for $s by tellign people that it gives them relief from pain and making up scientific BS to defraud them does not make people [censor] I don't know what your definition of [censor] is. Targtting vulnerable people to make miney with BS products qualifies for me. if you are sellign this product as you initially claimed you are [censor] and a scammer. It is entirely called for.

As the product is menat to increase "cellular communication" care to tell me how it communicates pain so badly that you don't feel ti anymore. It certainly cannot (even if the science they quote worked, which it doesn't) effect the causes of the pain that people are listing, which have nothing to do with proton alignment.

Placebo's that do not address underlying problems but allow peope to ignore the pain are a problem, pain is a natural warnning sign that something is wrong, An example, those with high pain threshlds are able to ignore pain, and a couple of hockey players I play with ignored pain until their broken bones needed pinning and they lost some joint mobility. Others have ignored heart attacks as minor pain, when they shoudl havebeen gettign them checked out, one, a very fit guy aged 63 died from a massive heart attack, and his wife said he had had minor chest paisn for a while, the doctors reckoned he had had some fairly major heart attacks. Ignoring pain (whether it be from ahigh pain threshold or by using placebo's that get your mind to think the pain isn't there, or by taking pain killers long term) is dangerous.

Fangio

You make a lot of sense but, all true about blocking pain. When should we block pain? controversial . My pain in my back was a nuisance. I dont like surgery option with the risks. I used chiropractors with a little success. I never said I believed all this proton alignment stuff they claim. I believe it works for some reason beyond the Placebo effect but whatever.
My biggest point with you is i think you are over reacting to make a point.
In the big scheme of things pharmaceutical drugs have caused more harm (with all the potential for abuse)than this product even if what you claim is all true (I believe you are mistaken) . I am taking about a more balanced approach that included my right to pursue unconventional means . I would have no problem with testing this product but my point is the results would not matter to me. FDA if they would bother to do this has no creditability in my books anyway.
Have a happy New year.

Sorry Canoe, but to say you are takking a more balanced approach when you say you don't believe their science but you think it works by something other than the placebo effect. Beyond the science they offer the band is a silicone band (the sports version), and there is absolutley no helath benefit to a silicone band. So if you don't beleive thier proton alignment garbage it is not balanced to say tht it has any other efeect whatsoever, in fact it demonstrates quite clearly that you are in denial about having bought the emperor's new clothes. It's delusional to belive that a silicone band which varies from other bands only by some unexplained and totally unscientific "imprinting" works for pain relief, but not by the method quoted but strangely by some other action (which in itself would be an undisclosed side effect and certainly woudl show that any safety testing they did was inadequate) purely by accident.

You say the FDA has no credibility, yet you believe a band with absolutely no medical testing to be credible. Seriously you think that somehting you belive to relieve pain with no known method does not need to be tested for side effects, or how it achieves it and that's fine?

Come off it Canoe, it is placebo pure and simpel otherwise the Bionic Band manufacturers would be all over the FDA to obtian approval to sell it for medical purposes and make themselves overnight billionaires. On the other hand if it is placebo they would never submit it for any sport of medical testing at all.

We are stuck in this loop. How many agree with your approach to this subject?. You try to give the impression that your slant on this subject is better than mine. I have a right to my opinion that you are way off the scale on this subject. Thats my opinion. You are not with out bias for some reason. Its not harmful in my opinion. If we were talking about a drug you could be right. It seems to bug you that someone is making some money selling something to someone, I think you are jealous . You can get it tested and post the results if you want, It would make little difference to some one that found good results. Your testing it and reporting "That it doesnt work" would only help sales. Your bias rant helps sales also. Keep it up and there will become a conspiracy theory about it with even more sales. You cant win this one cut your loses and fold. Come on!
If I insult you like you insulted me, you guessed it MORE SALES Keep it up you biased [censor] LOL MORE SALES
Bionic Band Buy on and piss Fangio off (More sales) It works or your money back. More Sales I think you work for the Bionic Band company if not they should send you some sales commission. ( More Sales). I know you have to deny working for them and you probably will.

I can't get it properly tested, as the company DO NOT provide identical uncahrged models that woudl be necessary for a proper double blind test.

Can you, rather than just saying it, show where I am biased rather than looking at and evaluatign the evidence? No thought not, just unevidenced allegations from you I see, that and insults.

As for your comment "like you insulted me", calling peopel scammers who sell scams is not na insult, calling peopel who sell placebo's to the vulnerable [censor] is not na insult it is an accurate description. Your insults are just personal insults because you absilutely no evidence to offer that the band you are so enamoured with does anything at all. So keep up witht he posts which offer no answers to any of the evidecned points made showing the band to be a rip off. If that's all you have to offer I guess it shows the kind of person you truly are.

PS the chances that youa re not a distributor for this are seemingly minimal, the chance that you have anything to offer to a debate about whether there is any science behind this product or whther it is complete BS is zero. BTW talkign to a friend of mine who is a science hot shot he says Einsteins theory doesn't even work on Jello, which is a far higher % water than the human body and contains no solids, sothe chances of it workign ont eh body are so laughable that anyone suggesting that someone by a product based upon this is a complete charlatan.

Your biased because you have already drawn your conclusions. so why test. You call them scammers because you assume your tests would prove them wrong. I say they can sell this on testimony why not? Test would not accomplish this and you wouldnt trust an uncharged blank. this so stupid. BionicBands work for many people they definitively wont work for you because you wont even try it. Thats why I call you Bias amoung other names. You never answered why testimony is not acceptable? Believing makes some things true. The new testiment was based on testimony Was Jesus a fake and scammer?
Mr 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Jesus said this, Is it true or not?
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Doubt you go with out believe you will receive. Fangio

Canoe

I have answered very clearly why testimony is not acceptable, it is because the placebo effect is what is giving people the belief that the band works, which is no reason to believe that he science, which is complete BS works.

I have also said that the product needs to be tested, not by me but by the FDA or other independent bodies, I trust them.

I am not biased, the sciecen is untrue, it does nto need testing, as it is simply untrue that Einstein's theory that they base it on can be applied to anything other than a body of liquid, which the human body is not. Therefore it is a scam, the method tha they say the band uses is therefore impossible.

As for "believing makes things come true", that's the placebo effeect for you. The band does ntogin the placebo effect does it.

On to your was Jesus a fake or a scammer, well let's look at what method he prescribed for his miracles, he said he was the son of God (and simultaneously God at the same time), and that God was all powerful. Now that, if true would make miracles possible, but we cannot test it now as he is not physically here to test his theory. So it's left to faith. But a scammer? What exactly did he get out of it, a few years of beng persecuted and then crucifixion, doesn't look like he made millions of dinari out of it. However, that is entirely irrelevant to the question fo the Bionic Band and so clearly a diversionary tactic from someone with absolutley nothing to offer to actually evidence the band itself doing a damn thing. When you actually have some evidecne that te band does anything itself then please feel free to post it. In the absence of any such evidence from anyone including the manufacturers ([censor]) and all of the distributors (scammers) and given that the sciecne is complete BS it's the placebo efeect all the way BASED UPON THE AVAILABLE EVIDENCE NOT SOME IDIOTIC PERSONAL BIAS THAT SAYS THAT IT'S NOT THE PLACEBO EFFECT.

Interesting take from Australia where Power Balance (a company that mkes the same claims as Bionic Band with teh same lack of any reasonable scientific explanation that actually works). It seems selling a placebo is not allowed in Australia, wonder when they will get on to Bionic Band there?

http://www.accc.gov.au/content/item.phtml?itemId=964065&nodeId=698d19a8cc24ae1e38596b70150e1781&fn=Undertaking.pdf