This company is a scam, yet Gulf News Appointment has placed many job ads on behalf of them despite of many people complaining about their scam.
please dont give them 100 dhs or 150 dhs which they usually ask for, they are only making money on you.
They do not have any real jobs to offers anyone, they just make up fake interview calls and ...you are never selected by the client!..
I have live in UAE more than 20 years and have seen agencies like these steal your money by running 'illegal' business of charging you any kind of fees, before you visit such agencies please read this ..
"Recruitment Agencies warned against collecting fees from job-seekers
The Assistant Undersecretary at the Ministry of Labour, Humaid Bin Deemas, said that it is illegal to collect fees from jobseekers as it is against the Labour Law and agencies getting into such practices will be shut down.
Bin Deemas mentioned that charging fee from job-seekers for acting as a broker between employers and the job-seeker is considered illegal not only under the law of UAE, but also under the international law and the ministry has the right to shut down all agencies involved in such an act.
The Minister of Labour, Dr. Ali Abdullah Al Ka’abi, has expressed anger over the manner in which such recruitment agencies are operating and mentioned that any individual who has fallen as a victim to such agencies should report to the ministry immediately. As an initiative to stop such practices, the Ministry has stopped granting licenses to any new companies for two years."
The complaint has been investigated and resolved to the customer’s satisfaction.
Dear Job seekers,
Please refrain from going for an Interview with Core elements dubai located in Grosvenor house, shk zayed rd as they are completely & absolutely FAKE.when they cll u/u cll them they wud tell u that no registration fee but, when u actually go & attend interview they come up with tht they have client in JAFZA & in Deira..insist u to pay 300AED to revise the CV & send to the client...be verry carefull...dnt waste your TIME & MONEY going for an interview at Core Elements dubai
i can still remember when i went for an interview last year...
paid up aed 150 and did not get any useful info from them afterwards...
and it's sad to see all these comments about people being duped...
these are desperate times indeed...
and despite these complaints, how come that a fraud such as Core Elements
could still be using the same contact numbers and still get so many people lining up?
Guys please be noted that no agencies are allowed to take money from any of the candidates even for registration.ANd please be awrae of Career jet and Jobs iN dubai a swell.. as all of them Including core elements are copying Gulf news or Recruitment Agency advts and publishing there...
Guys i received a call from core elements on 09th March 2010. One girl name Joana told me that you are short listed for a job in a multinational company and she did not mention the name of the company saying its confidential and this is the first and final interview. And then latter on send me an sms of the location to come for an interview on 10th March 2010. I just went to search this company on the internet and found out this website with everyone complains. I still did go there at 10.30 a.m for an interview and i was surprised to see atleast 30 people waiting for interview.When my turn came the interviewer Afshan Sheikh called me and she said you have been shortlisted and she needs to process my CV and she would start working on my CV and would modify it as per the clients requirement and she would charge me 300 Dhs. At that moment i told her that my CV is just perfect and i do not want anything less or more to that. She said no without modifying the CV it would be difficult to get the job. I at once realised that these people are after money and walked out of the office. The sad part is that this girl Afshan Shiekh wont even have half of my qualification and she wanted to modify my CV. She also took my latest CV. I think these people collect everyones CV and learns how to write a CV. I would advise the interviewer to modify her own CV and start looking out for a job where she is actually fit for ...
Thank God I saved my 300 AED
I had interview in Al Waseela Requirement & Consultancy and I paid 100AED as membership fee. After two days, I got a call from [protected] saying you are selected.
7000 basic salary + accomodation + food +transportaion was my package. Come for signing agreement with 300 AED, PP Copy, Visa copy, and 4 Photos
I thought my dream job c0me true. I decided to quit my present job. Bought new shirt and pant for signing agreement. Never thought it was a fraud. Just googled and found these comments
I already lost my hard earned 100 AED and precious time
Thanks you guys for saving my 300AED
Who can give a tight slap on the face of thes fraudsters?
afetr reading all these comments I would like to add my comments.
I was interveiwed by them on the 2/03/2010 by the lady Ms Khadija . During the interveiw she recommended a job at Canon. the bait she put across for me is that i owuld have to redo my CV or in her words make it to suit the client requirements. Also she was insisting that the company will do up my whole CV & they will send it to me within 7-10 days. Though I have managed to get high profile jobs during the last 7 years in dubai, with my current CV I wanted to give this a try.
The charge for this service was DHS 300. Though my gut feeling was to decline this I still went ahead and paid this amount.I was asked to sign an agrrement to the affect of this service.
It has been almost 3 weeks & no CV or an interveiw in sight.
I contacted them on the 15/03/10. As per the receptionist Ms Khadija is on vacation & my requirement will be handlled by someone else whom she promised will contact me on or before 18/03/10.
When I tried calling them today there was no answer.
Ir seems to me these people are up to no good & as responsible citizens it will be our duty to bring them to the notice of the authorities.
I will try again for a possible reason from their side for the delay, & failing which gives me no choice but to take this to a higher level.
Hi, i am Aamir Mustafa From Barclays Bank. Before 2 days i receive call from [protected], Company name: Core Element. and they inform me that i have interview on 22 March, Time 2.00PM and they told me that its compeletely Free so i told them that i will come for interview. They told me the interview about FMC Company Dubai as they are dealing in Many products so i confirm them that i will come for interview. i went there. many people were there for interview. i also receive sms on my Cell from that number. also receive sms Reminder from Core Element. and in interview Farzana Sheikha Was asking for AED 300/-. Here i want to confirm you that She was an indian lady not any arabic lady. but i decline her proposel to pay AED 300/- as i was aware this type of dummy companies. so i will apeal to Dubai Police to take action against this type of companies so Dubai can save Curruption and people will more trust on Dubai Government.
Thanks.
Aamir Mustafa
mraamir_mustafa@yahoo.com
Even My wife got a call from this company when told we have accepted another offer they explained about their offer very colorfully in a hospitality industry& with 50% more package & later got a sms about the person & venue of interview But when we were not sure we researched about this company on the net then we got to read lot of fraud complaints ... so we skipped the interview just to make sure if it is not fraud they would follow up but till date no calls... I really thank this forum which helped me from this fraudulent incident
thanking u all guyss, i was preparing my self & my husband told me to check information about the company, and i found so many complaints. now i am feeling completely satisfied, i got enough information & clear warning please who are getting contacted by them, be careful.
I totally agree with all the comments, coz i already paid 300 DHS to them and they have send me a CV which is useless. My own CV was 10000 times better than that...This company should be banned as they are cheating with each and every person looking for JOB...Thanks to all for updates.
I totally agree with all those complaining, my husband went for an interview day before yesterday and ended up paying AED 300, as neither of us knew about all these complains, yesterday we went to Core Elements and got the money back, that too we were shocked that there was no fuss made, no argument etc. I guess daily they must be refunding. So Sunil please do go to them and ask for a refund of your money.
Also notice that the huge trophies kept in the office do not have any accreditation, or any indication what they were earned for, they are simply trophies bought for show.
Please do publicise this issue via email, since till date I have not received a single mail alerting me of this company, or publicise via any other method, because not all people check the authenticity of a company before going for interviews and because there are so many innocent people out there who will keep hoping that one day the money they have given will fetch them a good job.
I urge all those who paid, to gather the guts and ask for a refund,
I also spoke to a news reporter and she said that the matter has already been reported to the muncipality and that so far there is
no change as the company still continues its operations. The reporter
also said that many of the jobseekers have got their refund. All you need to do is gather the guts and get your hard earned money back. If need be say that you will go to the police as it is illegal to take money from jobseekers
They call me for interview at 7:30 PM so i went there, i just wait there in the waiting room for my turn and also there was alot of other guys to make interview. when i got in for interview they ask me some typical question about the job so i just asnwer it then the lady who take my interview her name was Jodi ###, she asked me to take memebr ship by paying 300 Dhs. so i did the payment and she told me that surely you will be selected for our client (Cannon) and also later on I will arrange an interview with my client can you guarantee that you will be selected” then I went speechless… even if I’m so confident about myself how will I guarantee that I will be selected by the client. so when i came back from there my friend told me that they are fraud and they did the same with him...
So guys i am trying to take some legal action againt them as per UAE rules and regulation and also warns you all guys that be careful from that ###...
Dear all
i was called by the same company as well. Fortunately after my research i decided not to pay them a penny. However i did give them the benefit of the doubt and met them. The girl who interviewed me had absolutely no idea what she was talking about. She couldn't speak proper english and when i tried asking her to give me more information about the company she got nervous and came up with some story. Apparently some unknown world famous group has opened its hotel in dubai. what is still surprising is that there were sooooo many people there and i saw them charging desperate job seekers 150. She then went to ask me for money by saying they will change my CV and make sure the company ires me and when i said absolutely not, she got nervous and said she will contact me by email. STAY AWAY and if anyone has contacts who can help shut this criminal activity please assist.
CORE ELEMENTS IS NUMBER ONE CHEATER COMPANY IN UAE...
THEY ARE NOT SCARE BY ANYBODY...
THEY ARE TAKING 300DHS FROM ALL THE JOBSEEKERS AND NOT PROVIDING ANY JOBS...
THEY ARE MAKING FOOLS TO THE JOBSEEKERS AND ASSURING THEM TO GET A JOB IN CANON, BUT LATER ON THEY SAY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT KANON NOT CANON...
I HAVE DONE FULL RESARCH ON CORE ELEMENTS AND BELOW IS THE CONCLUSION...
1. USING THE NAME OF BIG COMPANIES LIKE CANON AND LATER ON IT BECOMES KANON
2. ALL CONTACT NUMBERS ARE FAKE.
3. THE MAIL ID's OF THEIR CLIENTS WHICH THE WILL SHOW YOU ARE FAKE AS WELL. HOW CAN A PERSON CREAT AN E-MAIL ID ON THE WEBSITE WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTON. (They showed me an e-mail id of their client "shakir@mkoil.com) Just try opening this website www.mkoil.com
4. ALL STAFF OF CORE ELEMENTS ARE BIGGEST LIERS IN THE WORLD. THEY CHANGE THEIR WORDS IN FRACTION OF SECONDS. HERE ARE FEW NAMES, AFSHAN SHEIKH, JODI, FARZANA SHEIKH, ROSE AND MANY MORE.
5. THEY ARE NOT SCARED BY ANYBODY, OPENLY SAYING GO AND COMPLAINT AGAINST US.
6. CORE ELEMENTS WILL NEVER RESPOND TO YOUR E-MAILS.
7. BIGGGGGG COMMITTMENTS BY THEM WILL NEVER BE FULFILLED.
8. VERY LESS CHANCES OF GETTING REFUND IF YOU HAVE ALREADY PAID.
9. THAT BLOODY RECEPTIONIST (MALE) DONT KNOW ANYTHING, EVERYTHING HE SAYS "WE DONT HAVE THIS DATA IN OUR SYSTEM OR OUR SYSTEM IS DOWN, WE WONT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU THE INFORMATION CURRENTLY"
10. THEY ARE EXPERTS IN CHANGING TOPICS. YOU WILL ASK SOMETHING AND THEY WILL REPLY FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
11. THEY ARE EXPERT IN TRAPPING PEOPLE.
I HAVE PASSED THROUGH THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, I DIDNT GOT ANY RESULT AFTER PAYING 300DHS AND THEY DIDNT REFUND MY MONEY... I HAVE LOT OF PROOFS AGAINST CORE ELEMENTS...
THEY ARE # 1 (!)#$&^$)!@$&)!$^)!()!%^#!%^$)!^$#)!%$)!
sbjoseph2009.
Dear all,
Today they called me an interview at 7pm. for a good job. Really when she talked me in phone first time(yesterday) she offered me a good salary offer. U know I never placed my CV in this agency. I do not know how they got my contact no. Frequently they are sending me a text message to attend the interview and I promissed them I will. Since I read all comments from other job seekers, I finilizied I will not. I have a good experience with other agency same like. Know I realised all managemnt recreuting agencies are good cheater.
ohhhhhh my God, i really feel sooo stupid, i went there with such a great difficulty and paid them 310dhs but before going when i asked them if there is any charges they said no to me. and now that i'm calling them there is no answer and just get general email on enquire . i took a taxi from sharjah to dubai and thought something Good will happen. why is Gulf news publishing such co. without finding out . the misinter of labout should do something...
I saw this msg too lately - now its AED 300/- which i paid for repairing my CV. I just called MOL to place a complaint against them - they said i need to register a case with Police. Wondering whether Ecomplaint is possible with the Police department where i dont to go in person - does anyone know about this.
Also I sent a mail to the Gulf News requesting them to issue n alert the desperate job seekers.
Its our hard earned money, so why to loose to some cheating agencies - i am a fool to give them AED 300/-. Now time to act - why cant we all gather and go in there in a group and ask our money back - I also havnt received my CV so far for which i paid. its almost 13 days. if anybody willing mail me
I had gone to core elements for an interview and they charged me 300dhs. i will be writing in to the editor of Gulf news and let him know what’s happing. If you are with me then maybe more ppl can write up and send it too. We will not get our money back but we can teach them a lesson at least that the money that was given was hard earned and not for playing around. Let me know if yes or no suraiya1978@yahoo.com regards Suraiya
well i wrote here before
but i forget it with time passing
but SuriayaKhan make me remember again those people & what they doing
well again here is my number for the people who wanna make an action against them
m not loyer or somthing
but as SuriayaKhan (wd)
WE WILL TEACH THEM A LESSON
hey every1, i have posted a letter to the editor of Gulf News(below is the details), and there is Ms. Sujatha also who has done the same...why dont you also send out a letter, let them know ...REMEMBER - "United we stand, Divided we fall"
Dear Editor,
I am Gulf News reader since 23 years. I would like to let you know what’s happening in the name of job offers in your Appointment. I was called for an interview from a well known company in Dubai - CORE ELEMENTS MANAGEMENT CONSULTANCY. When I got a call from them saying I’m short listed and I don’t have to pay anything. They were about 30 people sitting at 6pm time and more were coming in, I didn’t give any test -speed typing or letter typing. They charged me with 310dhs (which they usually ask for CV building) from me last week and now when I m following up for my application status, they are not responding. Not answering the calls and not replying to mails.
Core elements is number one cheater company in UAE..., yet Gulf News appointment has placed many job ads on behalf of them despite of many people complaining about their scam.
Using the name of big companies like canon and later on it becomes kanon.
All contact numbers are fake. Big commitments by them will never be fulfilled. I also noticed the huge trophies kept in the office do not have any accreditation, or any indication what they were earned for, they are simply trophies bought for show.
I know there are a very less chances of getting refund when already paid. But I would like to bring under desperate jobseekers notice that it’s our hard earned please don’t give it to these kind of company who are fooling and getting their salaries out of us and running their offices at a posh area of Sheikh Zayed Road.
I’m attaching others complaints which is posted at the web site.
Core Elements dubai — job scam
Regards,
Suraiya Khan
[protected]
Core Elements is still active in Dubai. Yesterday my wife got an interview call from them and then they sent the Sheik zyed road office address through sms. I was little suspicious and did a google search about the "Core Elements Dubai". The first search result itself pointed to this site telling that it is a job scam. Thanks guys, we saved the money and time.!
Vinod
To
The Nation Desk
Gulf News
Dubai
Hi,
I am Sujatha Raghunath, a housewife. Due to this recent recession and financial problems i am now forced to look out for jobs.
I have registered myself in a couple of websites like Bayt, Naukri and monster. Apart from that, I am mostly on the look out for job in the Gulf News appointments and Classifieds.
I Wish Gulf News runs an article on the Job scam by many recruitment and management consultancies to create an awareness among the desperate job seekers. As a number one media to reach the most in the UAE, I put my request to publish an investigated article on this issue.
I received a call from " Core Elements" on the 4th of April asking to come for an interview the next day and received 4 sms with address and time of appointment. When I visited their office in Shk Zayed Rd at 10.30am ( appt time 11.00 am) I saw many candidates waiting. when i spoke another candidate, came to know she has been waiting for more than 1 hour. They called me around 11. 45 am. Met Ms. Farzana, who Said the Marketing Executive position is for Canon Group, When inquired how they got my CV, She said the Company forwards all the CV and they Shortlist the Candidates. Also said, as my Resume is not impressive they will correct the same as per the co. requirement for which the fee is AED 300/- and if I take the service i will be shortlisted. on an impulse I paid the same and till date waiting for their response.
When I called their office many times in between, no one responded - the call goes to the mailbox, worse is even that mailbox will be full at times. At last I spoke to Ms. Sarah on 15 april and left a Msg to Ms. Farzana - No response.
Today - 18th April Trying from the morning - All i get is a Message asking to leave my Msg in the Mailbox.
the important thing here is the amount of stress one goes thro'. in these hard time even a dime counts, AED 300/- is a big amount to many. on top of that, phone calls and the thought of being cheated. I personally felt depressed. How many desperate people in the look out of job would have gone thro this situation.
I came across this website lately
www.complaintsboard.com/.../core-elements-dubai-c172008.html
this has been posted in 2009.
My question is Cant we stop such consultancies by canceling their license, so that the others will not do so .
I sincerely hope Gulf News will help me to find an answer to me and all those like me.
Gulf News can contact me regarding this issue either mail or my mob no [protected] for further information.
Thanks & Regards
Sujatha Raghunath
Dear All,
I m also with you people, will definitely write to Gulf News and would like to go to Core Elements Sheikh Zayed Road branch to take my money back. Lets decide a time and go together.
send me an e-mail on
chatlani_sunil@yahoo.com
Thanks to all,
Last time i went to take the refund but the didn't give my money...
Then i stand at the enterence of their building and who ever was coming from Core elements office i made them aware about them and send 2 people back Core elements to get their money back at the same time :-D and they got it... :-D
we all can ao something like this... if they will not give us money back, we will spoil their customers. Atleast we will not let them cheat some innocent jobseekers... :-)
I TOTALLY AGREE this is absolutely, completely, fully, definitely a scam (CORE ELEMENTS SWINVLER FAKE FRAUD COMPANY)
Who ever goes 1st thing they will tell is we have to redo the CV. As if no one knows what CV is.. (How every one can be wrong in making CV?) They think every one is fool coming here.
They make all fake promises which are never ever fulfilled.. They are liers not even ashamed of what they are doing. They seriously don’t have Humanity, principals or morals. . People coming with what all circumstances.. wht all situation. . wht all problems looking for a job & these BOODLY, SCOUNDRELS, ###, RASCALS, sit nicely & cheat these people.
BEWARE these core element Fuc-ers… Suc-ers.. are sitting putting their Bloody ### in sheik zayed road. Have nice office.. Ohh ohh how can I forget they will obviously have nice office (loot jo rahe hai innocent logo ko) the office is made up with all innocent job seekers money. They are forgetting that they are getting fuc-ing salaries also with all our money.
Frnds if you have paid beware they will not help you in getting job infact they are devils with no heart. They don’t know what a job means to a person. Don’t wait go get your money back..
FRIENDS I GOT MY MONEY BACK DON’T LEAVE THEM GOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOO & GET BACK YOUR HARD OWN MONEY. After struggling waiting for 2hrs Arguing I got my 300dhs back.
Pease don’t fall into their trap. Never pay a single penny before getting job.
The Assistant Undersecretary at the Ministry of Labour, Humaid Bin Deemas, said that it is illegal to collect fees from jobseekers as it is against the Labour Law.
Hi folks - Great news is ME & SURAIYA got our money back.
We went there on thursday 22/4 around 4 pm. Suraiya with here sister n me with my 2 kids ( as i dont have anyone to take care of them) . WE told that reception guy about our visit. he made us sit there itself. Ms Afshan called him over intercom and he explained, she first called Suraiya, where she explained why she wanted her money back n was told to wait till their accountant comes back which will b after 6.30pm - and told us to wait down in the bldg reception - Suraiya said we will wait just there.
My turn - I told i havent received any call, CV and also not able to reach the person interviewed me, for that she said, best way is emailing them, said thanks anyways for the info. told me to wait - I told her to make it fast as i cant hold my children to make them sit queit for a long time.
She called Farzana, the person who interviewed me, they both discussed and we happened to c a couple of CATWALKS by them. then she called me first n paid my money. GOT MY AED 300/-. asked her y in the first place they are taking money if they are not able to keep up the promises. this is cheating -
she says - SEE WE ARE PAYING YOUR MONEY BACK JUST TO CLEAR THE MISCONCEPTION WE HAVE. THEY ARE NOT THE AGENCY WHO CHEAT! da somebody pl explain what they say n do matches.
after me Suraiya too got her money back and we came out.
no agency is perfect - to survive and to b in the market - they advertise - n gulf news too need their money to run the show.
Its up to us to be careful and take care of ourself and our money.
LESSON - NEVER N EVER PAY ANY AGENCY ANY MONEY. HOWEVER PROMISING THEY ARE.
instead lets help each other.
thanks folks.
Hi both (Sujatha & Suraiya),
Well done, good to hear that u both got ur money :-)
All the best for your next interviews... :-)
Congratulations to you and Suraiya for getting your money back.
Be aware, be alert !
thank you all n a special thank you to payal vaya n sujatha, , , believe me I never do this kind of stupidity...but ...sometimes it happens...yes we went @ around 4pm and at the reception I told the guy we would like refund (me, sujatha, and my sis -she just drive us there) @ first he was like 'U ALL WANT REFUND', then I met Afshan n told her with a smile I’m not satisfied with yr service n not interested. On which is said sure no problem and I’ll give u back the money but have to wait for 4 HOURS down the lobby of the bldg.as the accountant will come in after 1930...hhmmmmm I thought to myself noooooooooo problem lady...I’m very much here n we waited in front of her office in a different reception they had ( I guess they have another reception for Refund ppl) me, my sis n sujatha n her 2 cute dancing kids...jumping around the whole office...so within 20 mins, she couldn’t take it anymore...We got our money...so I guess the trophy goes to sujatha's kids for doing our part of shouting and playing in the office … I would just like to mention to all that if any1 has original receipt then go ahead, n ask for refund n don’t move out of they office, stay put…..they have had many cases before us so they already have a printed letter FORMAT for refund on which u sign and declare……..they are more neverour than us, as they don’t want us around to let their clients run away…..BEST OF LUCK TO ALL…
whoever goes there for the refund - things to follow
1 - atleast take one person along with you - just for chatting in the waiting room.
2 - the original receipt
3- first tell softly to the reception guy that u have come for refund
4 - when mentioning the reason to that Afshan, let your voice be strong and bold.
5 - dont leave the place till you get your money. - tell u cant go anywhere
6 - help youself with the coffe / tea - n number times if they take long time to pay.
7 - just take your money back and happen to meet any candidates - pass the message.
GOD is always with the right person - so just venture - All the best.
Thanks Suraiya for the lift and Support.
Thanks Pvays for the informations you gave - timely.
Dear All,
Kindly find the below numbers of :
Afshan Shaikh: [protected]/[protected]
Jodi Vander Byl: [protected]/[protected]
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE OWNER, ANAS AL HABBAL: [protected]/[protected]
Kindly feel free to speak OUT LOUD and SHOUT OUT LOUD for your right AND NEVER LEAVE UNLESS YOU TAKE YOUR MONEY BACK.
that a great info, where people can trouble them day n night till they get there money back
Good luck folks
i also got a call from the same company stating that one recruiter is willing to hire me on monthly salary of 30000 dhms. i asked the name of the recruiter.then the core element person told me to come prepared for the interview so that they can open the name of the recruiter.this was very suspicious and i saw the google search engine for core elements and saw the numerus forums of their fraud.i went there fully prepared and when they asked me to pay 300 dhms to upgrade my cv, i denied strongly.i came back with a decision for everything hence forth i will i will ask my internet friends to guide me
That is true, i been in there office and unfortunatly i paid 150, - to them, as they explained to me, that this is fee for membership in there data base .I regret big time, they never call me...
Dear All,
who ever has paid the money and did not get any response, please do not hesitate to call Mr. Anas Al Habbal on [protected] / [protected] (owner of the company).
He is very polite and can get your money back from those robbers who are sitting in Core elements...
I GOT MY 300Dhs BACK ON THURSDAY 29TH April 2010 as my Fiance spoke to Mr. Anas and explained him the situation. Mr. Anas spoke to her very politely and calmly and adviced her to visit their office on 29th April at 6 pm. We both visited them and without any trouble or wait, they gave our money back.
Please dont let them eat your hard earn money...Go and fight for it...as 150dhs is very small amount for them, but for us and few others it is very big amount.
Thanks to all...:-)
And most importantly Thanks to Mr. Secret334 for giving us very useful info of contact numbers...:-)
hey that's very nice sunil...good that you got the money...and yes GOOD JOB..Mr. Secret334...u will be getting blessings from all for providing contact no...
I tried calling on both nos but he z not picking up the call
Hema,
Dont lose hope, keep trying, he will answer...
Good Luck...