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This woman is harassing a friend of mine and a woman employed by the city of Lapeer. She also goes by the alias Misty Silver. I am just trying to inform and protect people against this type of bulling. She's pretty much said Lapeer is corrupt all the while she is the one slandering, committing libel, trespassing onto private property & breaking and entering. Proper police reports have been filed. She is about to have a record, but yet she continues to do these acts. We are all hoping that she learns from her mistakes and gets psychiatric help. It's sad that these things keep happening. So many times people get angry and do things to hurt other people. Sometimes they do it even when they aren't angry just for something to do. We can 't control what people do or how they act/react to situations. Some are calm and collected and then some are bordering psycho crazy. How would you react if someone was harassing you? How should my friend handle this situation? Would you just ignore this or would you go into some detail trying to get justice? I do know that the legalities of the trespassing is being handled, but what about future stalking? This lady is a party to a " group" of woman that have a lot of vengeance and hate in their hearts for people. It seems like they don't have much of a life. They don't have children or their children have all grown, leaving them too much time on their hands. They spend the majority of their time thinking that they are "investigators" delving into peoples business and then try to hurt their personal lives. They claim to have files on people. Isn't that stalking? They stand up in meetings in the cities they target and say things that are severely untrue. They speak hearsay most of the time. They try to get people fired by speaking lies and twisting the truth. What has society become? How can we fight such a race that has so much hatred in their hearts? A lot of them will admit they do not believe in God. That is very evident in how they choose to conduct their lives. Are there any intelligent people in this world anymore? Please speak to me if you know groups like these. We need a united front of goodness not hatred!
Race meaning "Human". "They" meaning the group of men & women.
Maybe you can ask someone that can answer you in person. I see you are posted as "Learn to Read"
I know how impersonal text can read. I meant no disrespect to you, by the way.
There are multitudes of people that make up the human race. The term "race" in my statement, (meaning "human"), was to refer those in the group that have the hatred in their hearts, nothing more.
You are completely mistaken. You must be one of the group. After we complete our "investigation" there will be more to write about, I'm sure.
Slander is a verbal expression of what is false. These are true happenings that are written...go back to learning how to read.
You are ignorant of the true meaning of slander.
THE AD HOMINEM FALLACY FALLACY per Plover
One of the most widely misused terms on the Net is "ad hominem". It is most often introduced into a discussion by certain delicate types, delicate of personality and mind, whenever their opponents resort to a bit of sarcasm. As soon as the suspicion of an insult appears, they summon the angels of ad hominem to smite down their foes, before ascending to argument heaven in a blaze of sanctimonious glory. They may not have much up top, but by God, they don't need it when they've got ad hominem on their side. It's the secret weapon that delivers them from any argument unscathed.
In reality, ad hominem is unrelated to sarcasm or personal abuse. Argumentum ad hominem is the logical fallacy of attempting to undermine a speaker's argument by attacking the speaker instead of addressing the argument. The mere presence of a personal attack does not indicate ad hominem: the attack must be used for the purpose of undermining the argument, or otherwise the logical fallacy isn't there. It is not a logical fallacy to attack someone; the fallacy comes from assuming that a personal attack is also necessarily an attack on that person's arguments.
Therefore, if you can't demonstrate that your opponent is trying to counter your argument by attacking you, you can't demonstrate that he is resorting to ad hominem. If your opponent's sarcasm is not an attempt to counter your argument, but merely an attempt to insult you (or amuse the bystanders), then it is not part of an ad hominem argument.
Actual instances of argumentum ad hominem are relatively rare. Ironically, the fallacy is most often committed by those who accuse their opponents of ad hominem, since they try to dismiss the opposition not by engaging with their arguments, but by claiming that they resort to personal attacks. Those who are quick to squeal "ad hominem" are often guilty of several other logical fallacies, including one of the worst of all: the fallacious belief that introducing an impressive-sounding Latin term somehow gives one the decisive edge in an argument.
But enough vagueness. The point of this article is to bury the reader under an avalanche of examples of correct and incorrect usage of ad hominem, in the hope that once the avalanche has passed, the term will never be used incorrectly again.
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
B: "This does not logically follow. By your own argument, the set of rodents is a subset of the set of mammals; and therefore, a weasel can be outside the set of rodents and still be in the set of mammals."
Hopefully it should be clear that neither A's argument nor B's argument is ad hominem. Perhaps there are some people who think that any disagreement is an ad hominem argument, but these people shouldn't be allowed out of fairyland.
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
B: "This does not logically follow."
B's argument is less comprehensive, but still not ad hominem.
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
B: "This does not logically follow. You evidently know nothing about logic."
B's argument is still not ad hominem. Note that B directly engages A's argument: he is not attacking the person A instead of his argument. There is no indication that B thinks his subsequent attack on A strengthens his argument, or is a substitute for engaging with A's argument. Unless we have a good reason for thinking otherwise, we should assume it is just a sarcastic flourish.
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
B: "You evidently know nothing about logic. This does not logically follow."
B's argument is still not ad hominem. B does not imply that A's sentence does not logically follow because A knows nothing about logic. B is still addressing the substance of A's argument.
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
B: "You evidently know nothing about logic."
B's argument is, most probably, still not ad hominem. The word "evidently" indicates that B is basing his opinion of A's logical skills on the evidence of A's statement. Therefore, B's sentence is a sarcastic way of saying that A's argument is logically unsound: B is attacking A's argument. He is not attacking the person instead of the argument.
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
B: "You know nothing about logic."
Even now, we can't conclude that B's reply is ad hominem. It could well be, and probably is, the case that B is basing his reply on A's argument. He is not saying that A's argument is flawed because A knows nothing about logic; instead, he is using A's fallacious argument as evidence to present a new argument: that A knows nothing about logic.
Put briefly, ad hominem is "You are an ignorant person, therefore your arguments are wrong", and not "Your arguments are wrong, therefore you are an ignorant person." The latter statement may be fallacious, but it's not an ad hominem fallacy.
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
B: "This does not logically follow. And you're an ###."
B is abusive, but his argument is still not ad hominem. He engages with A's argument. There is no reason to conclude that the personal abuse of A is part of B's argument, or that B thinks it undermines A's argument.
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
B: "You're an ###."
B's reply is not necessarily ad hominem. There is no evidence that's his abusive statement is intended as a counter-argument. If it's not an argument, it's not an ad hominem argument.
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
B: "You evidently know nothing about logic. And you're an ###."
Again, B's reply is not necessarily ad hominem.
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
B: "F*** you."
Not ad hominem. B's abuse is not a counter-argument, but a request for A to cease the discussion.
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
B: "Well, you've never had a good grasp of logic, so this can't be true."
B's argument here is ad hominem. He concludes that A is wrong not by addressing A's argument, but by appealing to the negative image of A the person.
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
B: "Well, you're a ### and an ###, so there goes your argument."
B's reply here is ad hominem and abusive.
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
B: "Well, you're a rodent and a weasel, so there goes your argument."
B's argument here might appear on superficial inspection to be sound, but it is in fact ad hominem. He is using the terms "rodent" and "weasel" in different senses to those used by A. Although he tries to make it appear that he is countering A's argument by invalidating one of the premises, he is in fact trying to counter A's argument by heaping abuse on A. (This might also be an example of an ad homonym argument.)
A: "All murderers are criminals, but a thief isn't a murderer, and so can't be a criminal."
B: "Well, you're a thief and a criminal, so there goes your argument."
Harder to call this one. B is addressing A's argument, but perhaps unwittingly.
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
B: "Wrong! If a weasel isn't a rodent, then it must be an insectivore! What an ###!"
B's argument is logically fallacious, and he concludes with some gratuitous abuse, but nothing here is ad hominem.
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
B: "I'm sorry, but I'd prefer to trust the opinion of a trained zoologist on this one."
B's argument is ad hominem: he is attempting to counter A not by addressing his argument, but by casting doubt on A's credentials. Note that B is polite and not at all insulting.
A: "Listen up, ###. All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
B: "Yet another ad hominem argument. Ignore this one, folks."
A is abusive, and his argument is fallacious, but it's not ad hominem. B's reply, ironically, is ad hominem; while he pretends to deal with A's argument, in using the term "ad hominem" incorrectly, B is in fact trying to dismiss the argument by imputing that A is resorting to personal attacks.
A: "Listen up, ###. All rodents are mammals, and a lizard isn't a mammal, so it can't be a rodent."
B: "Yet another ad hominem argument. Ignore this one, folks."
A's argument is sound, and not ad hominem. B's reply is again ad hominem.
A: "B is a convicted criminal and his arguments are not to be trusted."
B: "Yet another ad hominem argument. Ignore this one, folks."
A's argument is ad hominem, since it attempts to undermine all of B's (hypothetical) arguments by a personal attack. B's reply is not ad hominem, since it directly addresses A's argument (correctly characterising it as ad hominem).
A: "All politicians are ###s, and you're just another politician. Therefore, you're an ###."
B: "Yet another ad hominem argument."
If you accept the premises, A's argument is sound. Either way, from the given context, we cannot conclude that it is ad hominem: it's not an attempt to undermine B's (hypothetical) arguments by abusing him, but instead an attempt to establish that B is an ###. B's reply is ad hominem, since by incorrectly using the term "ad hominem", he is trying to undermine A's argument by claiming that A is resorting to personal attacks.
A: "All politicians are liars, and you're just another politician. Therefore, you're a liar and your arguments are not to be trusted."
B: "Yet another ad hominem argument."
If you accept the premises, A's argument is sound; but I think most of us would sympathise with B and class it as fallacious, and ad hominem. This is because we do not accept the premise that all politicians are liars. There is a false premise that lies behind all ad hominem arguments: the notion that all people of type X make bad arguments. A has just made this premise explicit.
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
B: "That does not logically follow."
A: "*Sigh* Do I have to spell it out for you? All rodents are mammals, right, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal! What's so hard to understand?!?"
B: "I'm afraid you're mistaken. Look at it logically. If p implies q, then it does not follow that not-p implies not-q."
A: "I don't care about so-called logic and Ps and Qs and that stuff, I'm talking COMMON SENSE. A weasel ISN'T a mammal."
B: "Okay, this guy's an idiot. Ignore this one, folks."
A: "AD HOMINEM! I WIN!"
Although the last line of B, taken out of context, might look ad hominem (and was seized upon as such by A), it should be clear that taken as a whole, B's argument is not ad hominem. B engaged thoroughly with A's argument. He is not countering A's argument by saying A is an idiot; on the contrary, having logically countered A's argument, and having seen A's reaction, he is arguing that A is an idiot.
And you recognize that because now you're qualified in that area of expertise too? Just hilarious!
"You seek the advice of mental health professionals immediately." Is a bully comment if I ever heard of one! Telling someone to do something without having privy to their life is bullying! As for Misty Silver's comments...The name is Purbey. It is my name get it right...or are you the learn to read person too! You bury yourself every time you write something...hahaha! I'm pretty sure you don't or won't have an impact on her and her puppies! She does it right, always has! For West Coast Lover...I just have a problem with everyone attacking my friend and butting their business in hers when they have no clue as to what she does! No hate, just pity!
This woman is harassing a friend of mine and a woman employed by the city of Lapeer. She's pretty much said Lapeer is corrupt all the while she is the one slandering, committing libel, trespassing onto private property & breaking and entering. Proper police reports have been filed. She is about to have a record, but yet she continues to do these acts. We are all hoping that she learns from her mistakes and gets psychiatric help. It's sad that these things keep happening. So many times people get angry and do things to hurt other people. Sometimes they do it even when they aren't angry just for something to do. We can 't control what people do or how they act/react to situations. Some are calm and collected and then some are bordering psycho crazy. How would you react if someone was harassing you? How should my friend handle this situation? Would you just ignore this or would you go into some detail trying to get justice? I do know that the legalities of the trespassing is being handled, but what about future stalking? This lady is a party to a " group" of woman that have a lot of vengeance and hate in their hearts for people. It seems like they don't have much of a life. They don't have children or their children have all grown, leaving them too much time on their hands. They spend the majority of their time thinking that they are "investigators" delving into peoples business and then try to hurt their personal lives. They claim to have files on people. Isn't that stalking? They stand up in meetings in the cities they target and say things that are severely untrue. They speak hearsay most of the time. They try to get people fired by speaking lies and twisting the truth. What has society become? How can we fight such a race that has so much hatred in their hearts? A lot of them will admit they do not believe in God. That is very evident in how they choose to conduct their lives. Are there any intelligent people in this world anymore? Please speak to me if you know groups like these. We need a united front of goodness not hatred!
Patty, for someone who ended their original post about how a person's behaviour is rooted in whether or not they believe in God, you may want to consider you ongoing behaviour.
In your original post, you also condemn someone for thinking they are "investigators, " but later respond to Learn to Read by saying "You must be one of the group. After we complete our 'investigation' there will be more to write about, I'm sure." So, you both contradict yourself and write them off for disagreeing with you.
By your own criteria, your words and behaviour would lump you in with those "humans" that have "hatred in their hearts."
Patty Pureby, (not your real name~hehe) you are by far the most ignorant, sick person ever to write such things when you don't even know me! Talk about Slander, Libel & Harassment! You do need to learn to read~~FYI~~as per "Corruption in Lapeer" I copied & pasted it from the Lapeer County Press, you do know how to do that, don't you Smarty Pants~~so put that in your Pipe & Smoke It! You disgust me with all your lies~~You are full of HATE and have made the Devil Dance with all you BS! You really need to get a life and as Learn to Read posted~~Seek the advice of a mental heath professional immediately, cuz you are surely one Crazy Psycho ###! Trespassing, Breaking & Entering? Ha~I don't have the time, nor gas to waste on your hateful, spiteful self. Your just bitter & hateful cuz your Puppy Mill/Wholesale business got discovered~~and it wasn't by me, go ask your buddy Carla who DID say it! But Thanks for the Credit just the same :) Guess you won't be having a $9, 000 dollar profit for the month of December this year~~so No Merry Christmas for You~~to bad so sad~~hahaha!
Patty, if you have a problem with "everyone attacking my friend and butting their business in hers when they have no clue as to what she does" ...
WHY ON EARTH would you go and tell her story on a public forum that exists for the sole intention of making people aware of what is posted there?
I suggest you go read the Greek myth of Pandora's box, because you are the one who lifted the proverbial lid, here.
"All we can do if offer advice based on the information you have posted here. Based on this information, including your reactions to reasonable questions, it is logical to infer that you have some sort of mental condition."
Learn to Read-----You didn't offer advise you told her " to seek a medical professional immediately!" She wasn't asking for advise, so do you have a license to make such a statement? If you don't have a medical license than you are practicing without one. Now then, what's next?
Dear West Coast,
Patty had my permission to defend me. She didn't put my name out their or slander anyone. Some people just want to be loyal at any cost to them. I can fight my own battles, but it's nice to know someone that actually knows me can put into perspective what really is happening. These people do not know me. They speculate most of their information on tiny bits of truth here and there, and then they blow it up. They feed off from drama. They are very angry, as you can tell by their words. All of this can be summed up by anyone that reads all of this. I do not hate them. I feel sorry for them, but I don't focus on what they do. I have jumped much bigger hurdles in my life. They will continue to live their lives as they choose and so will I. People like that don't effect me on a daily basis, only when I see the need to stick up for someone that has stuck their neck out for me. So have a nice life everyone. I plan to pray for the greater good in everyone.
Linda, I never said she didn't have permission. I said she posted it here, with your permission or without it.
"Here" is a very public forum that exists for the purpose of creating discussions. It is not created with the intention of allowing people to post a complaint about something and then prevent people from talking about it. That's why people who make a post cannot choose to turn off comments for their thread.
At the end of the day, if you don't want your dirty laundry to be discussed in ways you may not like, don't put your dirty laundry out on a clothesline where everyone can see it -- even if you gave your friend permission to hang that laundry for you.
All of my dirty laundry is taken care of by my washing machine! All is fair in this debate.
Wow! If you are admitting you have a license, in this back handed way, then you had better get off here and see to your patients.
Here is a Quote from Puppy Mill Awareness of Southeast Michigan~~
We have been investigating Carla for a few months now and have identified all the missing licenses including the USDA. Complaints have been filed. Yes, she does need a USDA license to sell wholesale (Class A). She is selling to Linda Kaiser, according to Walt the former director.
Linda & Patty~~You two act & speak like spoiled, bratty children when they are caught telling one lie after another & don't get what they want or what they want to hear from others. When you speak of Bulling, Slander ect...Lets see~I was told to "Suck it Up" when I called 18 hours later, Thursday, Jan 26, 2012 to say how sick the pup was, and told to go buy some Robitussin. Jan 27, 2012 after taking pup to a Real Vet, unlike Linda thinks she is, I called to report the Vets findings, she screamed and I quote "Why did you do that when I told you to give it Robitussin"! At the Vets they worked on his infected ears for over 40 minutes, plucking the hair and removing the most disgusting brown stuff, which was the awful foul smell I kept smelling~~as Linda said when I ask about the smell "Oh I didn't fart" laughing! So why Linda, since you claim to be a "Wonderful Experienced Breeder" of 35 years, didn't YOU take care of this puppy yourself before selling it? I did not buy said puppy to be his Nurse 24/7, and spend more $$ at the Vets 2 days later. Now that I know where he was born, in a Cage in a Barn in the winter, it explains why he was so sick with Kennel Croup and had no house training in the least~~explains why he pee'd & had diarrhea, which he did throughout my home & even in his cage, as he had never known what the ground outside was for :( My granddaughter, who was 7 at the time, referred to you as the "Mean Lady" as you hadn't taken your sick puppy to a Vet to get well & then sold it to her Grandma. My 5 yr. old grandson ask "why are his eyes watery"? They have more intelligence & compassion for animals then you could ever have. The puppy didn't even want to play with them, as they said "all he wanted to do was sleep" :( When the puppy starting coughing & choking it really scared them, so thanks for that you wicked woman!
I do not belong to PMA, Cult, Stalk, Slander, Trespass, Break In Buildings ect., and No Linda I am not a Stripper or a Call Girl or a Psycho as you referred to me in one of your slandering post. I do not need your prayers or that of a Mental Health Professional, as you & Patty are in dire need of. Stating that I threw that puppy on your hard stone floor is a out & out lie as well as you telling me you had a tape recording of the conversation on Jan 25, 2012 as to what I had ask you, and what your replies where when I returned the pup to you on Feb 2, 2012. You stood there screaming at me like some crazy lady, (which you are), turning so red in the face I thought your head would explode...I will never forget it. Linda you have not once of compassion or respect for humans nor animals. Your Love of Money is unremarkable though with your Puppy Mill/Wholesale Business. I suggest you & Patty take a good look in the Mirror and stop pointing fingers...Remember when you point your finger and accuse others of lying as you's have, there are 4 pointing back at you~~and "Karma" isn't it funny how it's coming back at you with a Vengence~
Whoa trigger! You are so good at this you should write a book instead of driving around in your car trying to be a detective! This is good stuff, but you are mistaken, and all of your hateful words, are without a doubt, hearsay! The quote is pretty comical too. You quote from a facebook site? Really?That's really credible...NOT! Just like when you stated that my friend's husband was a pastor? Good info there! While all you people are running around collecting what you think is data, the founder is collecting a big fat pay day! Didn't you now that non-profits are huge business in the US? Yes indeed y. They are a lot more profitable than you realize. You are stellar at Fiction. I do believe it is your forte. Oh, and when you write that book, try not to be so angry and redundant. It gets a little boring when you repeat yourself all of the time. I really like how you signed your name as Vengence too! It's very catchy and appropriate. Sorry you misspelled it though, deary. Good job!
Trigger Ha! Your words are just words and I realize more & more how hateful you are. People such as yourself when their backs are up against the wall get VERY defensive. What have I said that is so hateful? What did I lie about? I never named called as you do. Hearsay, I think not~~it is Fact that you are a Wholesaler running it out of your home & then Donating pups to the Lapeer Animal Shelter to help them make money~~ That was posted on PMA by you! You also state on your Smooch My Pups.com that you have a "few females" that you don't breed every time they are in heat~~so how is it that you have had 5 or more posted on Smooch My Pups & Puppyfind.com every month since January 2012? And they are not all Cavachon's! Oh that's right, you did post on Smooch My Pups that "Your Partner" had some as you couldn't keep them all at your home. Those poor Females pushing out puppies after puppies in cages just so you can make that almighty dollar~~and a High dollar at that, just sickens me and a lot of other people. Geez, you can buy a horse for what you have been getting for your little Fluff Balls.
The Founder of PMA doesn't make one cent~~So get your facts straight!
Oh by the way~~I didn't sign my name Vengeance~~You do need to learn to read, and while your at it, go have the head of yours examined, I think it's got a few screws loose~~ again, I do not drive around being a detective, I just let my fingers do the walking~~
Ok Karen. You have nothing, you clearly know nothing, and are just letting your fingers do the walking keeping track and compiling information that you are speculating on. It's all wrong! My dogs are all beautiful, well taken care of dogs that live with me and my family and get the utmost in care. They do not live in cages as you state. Do you have proof of all of your allegations? You will absolutely continue to look like a person with an obsession, and on a mission to spread false information, if you keep writing fallacies because you are angry. I have made mistakes in my life. EVERY human being does. There is no perfect person, and for you to keep chastising me and spewing out false information after false information is completely ignorant. Yes, I sold you a puppy in January of 2012. Big mistake. Yes I allowed you to come right over, because you couldn't wait. Big mistake. I clearly told you I could not give this puppy a bath because it was sooo cold out and you wanted to come right then, not allowing enough time to clean his ears, bathe him, do his nails, and get him dry. Big mistake on my part. I have learned from it. I am sorry to you for that. You have painted me as this horrible, mean, evil person for making this mistake. I am not. I make mistakes along the way of life. I am very remorseful for that. I have a good reputation and I am a good breeder...but I made a mistake. I should have cleaned his ears. This breed is known for having to keep the ears clean and because of his cough, producing mucus, the ears would have been needing to be cleaned out. I am guilty of not cleaning his ears, which in my defense, is a protocol I do when I give them a bath...didn't do that the day you came. I'm sorry. I did however tell you of his sickness. I put it in writing. The puppy was on medication for a REACTION to a bordetella intranasal vaccine. He got the virus. I disclosed that to you. I am sorry if you did not understand what that was. I was not trying to be dishonest or trying to push anything over onto you or else I wouldn't have said anything! When that happens, antibiotics do nothing but treat secondary infections. They do not prevent secondary infections and they do not treat the virus. It is very much like getting the flu from the flu shot. It happens frequently in small dogs. Your vet said his ears were terribly infected. He gave you cucumber and melon ear wash and something for the ever so common yeast in floppy eared dogs. He did not have an infection when I took him to the vet the day after you dropped him off. So it was cured very quickly just by cleaning them out.! Vets always call dirty ears an infection, btw. You did call me in a couple of days, at which time I asked you if you wanted to bring the dog back! You said "I'll have to think about it" What more do you want from me? I offered to take the dog back on day 2. As time goes on their is absolutely a risk for anything to happen to a live being. You obviously wanted no part of returning the dog on day 2. When you had decided you couldn't physically take care of the dog anymore because of being extremely fatigued (you stated you needed 8 hrs of sleep per night and weren't getting it), I offered to help you with a buyer. Puppies will keep you up at night even if they don't have a cough. I had several people that were aware of the situation and had offered to send them your way. You seemed receptive to me on the phone but much to my surprise you showed up on my doorstep, in the middle of winter, with this puppy. I had no idea what you were up to. Nothing was mentioned in the phone conversation that you were bringing the dog back just a couple of hours earlier. When i opened the door you did throw the puppy down on my floor as I was not taking the puppy back at that point! Your perception is clearly different than mine and my daughters. Remember, I did not know you were coming and was pretty perplexed as to why you were there. You wanted no part of that puppy any way you flip it, just like you wanted no part of the Havanese puppy you also returned. I'm seeing a pattern here. I should have known better. Big mistake again. I declared to you then that you were abandoning the puppy. I think you are pretty bold for doing that and I think that is how you obviously handle things. I was willing to work things out with you. I do not like being bullied. I like to work things out amicably. Anyone that knows me, knows that. I am a reasonable person with a lot of patience and common sense. You chose to take me to court. In the interim, I went back in forth with your attorney negotiating. I was a bit stubborn, I admit, but once again, I don't like being bullied. Call me flawed, but accept your flaws too. You forcefully came to my house on a vengeance. I am not perfect, but I have never intentionally screwed anyone over in my life. My best intention, offered you your money back once again. You refused it letting your 'flaw" get the best of you. We went to court. You stated your case. I had presented all vet documents and other records and presented my case. You lost. You had a red face. I'll never forget it. You were really angry then and you still are over a year and a half later. You are so angry you have resulted in obsessing & researching me! Get a life already! You are compiling a c*** load of false information. You don't have any proof of any of your allegations because you are wrong. You have pieced together information to fit what you think reality is and it just isn't true. Sorry. Anyone that comes to my home to buy a puppy are more than welcome to see the parents. You never asked. You in your early rants claimed I was a "basement breeder" . Now you claim my puppies are raised in a barn. Which is it? NEITHER! You are grasping at straws to make your case that you already lost. I would have gladly saved you from all of that. My puppies are raised in a nursery. Which incidentally I work my butt off to keep clean and odor free. I would never raise my dogs in a barn. I totally love all of them and have paid well over what I ask for the puppies, for each one of them. When you want darling puppies you have to use excellent breeding stock. This is my business, not yours or anyone's from any of the clubs you report to. This is America and you are not going to tell me how to live my life. I am doing nothing immoral or illegal period. So, once again Karen, I'm sorry I didn't clean out the puppies ears, That was my bad mistake... and I'm sorry this is really bothering you. I never set out to be this much of your existence. It is not my wish.
OK Linda the Me, Me, Me lady who is so flipping full of herself~~Let me ask you~~ Why did you start responding to this thread 8 months later, on July 9, 2013, when I left the complaint way back on Nov. 11, 2012, and continue to do so? Why did you not tell me the Truth when I ask if he was sick, & indeed had Kennel Croup? Why did you not tell me that his ears were infected and needed to be plucked & cleaned when I ask what the foul smell was, and let me make the decision if I wanted to still purchase him or not. I also told you I didn't have the money and would have to come back the next day. It was then that You told me where the nearest ATM was! Also when I called to inquire about the pup YOU said "I have to pick up my daughter, but you can still come, in which I said I would make it another time, but You said Oh you can come now, how far are you? It was not Me that couldn't wait~~it was YOU wanting to make your $$ and get rid of your sick pup! After getting the money, going to get puppy food that You said to get, along with other things I needed for him at Meijers, as I was not prepared for a puppy, and then returning to your home, you ask "Where have you been? I didn't think you were coming back & I've called and text you several times! I said..Ummm...don't have text on my home phone~You just assumed it was a cell number you had~~Daahhh! And I also didn't know my way around Lapeer Meijers so it took me a while to find what I needed for a puppy.
You did Hit the Nail on the Head~~Big Mistake for You selling a Sick Puppy with Kennel Croup and not tending to it Ears as a Experienced Breeder as you claim to be, lying about it, and expecting me to take care of it. Why weren't these issue's taken care of by YOU? You had, after all breed and bought this puppy into this world and had him since his birth on Nov. 7, 2011 until I purchased him on Jan 25, 2012. One would assume that was more than ample time for you to tend to his needs, wouldn't you? But No you just passed it onto me, and I knew in less than 2 days that he needed medical attention from a Licensed Vet. When I called you before noon the following day after getting him at 5:30 p.m.the evening before I was appalled that you the Seller/Breeder would tell me to "Oh Suck it Up, Karen" and go buy some Robitussin~~and again when I called you the next day to tell you of the Vets findings, you Screamed at me "Why did you take him to a Vet when "I" told you to go get Robitussin and give it to him!
You know damm well that I did not throw that sick puppy on your stinkin' floor & I'm outraged that you continue to accuse me of such a horrific act on a defenseless little 4# puppy that I nursed for 6 days & nights, until I could no longer handle it by myself, along with my other obligations that I had. I rang your door bell at 5:50 p.m. while you were pacing back & forth yapping on the phone, (maybe you should think about getting some window coverings) when you answered the door and told whom ever you were talking to that you would have to call them back. You ask "What are you doing here"? I told you "I brought Your puppy back" and handed him to YOU in his Blanket that I had him wrapped in, in which YOU tore off him and threw and the floor and starting screaming like a Maniac, and that is when your daughter entered into the entry way and ask what was going on, to which you replied "She's a Psycho"! I left shaking, as I do not deal well with people that Scream at me, and to think you had breed this dog and so many others as well, and then to act and speak that way~~as per your last phone call to me when you offered me $350 back, as someone wanted him and his sister and they wanted a deal, and I told you NO, I paid you $450 plus another $94 at the Vets, and you ask why? I told you then I didn't like how you talked to me, & I had a Lawyer looking into the matter~~ told you to have a nice day and I hung up.
You bet I was livid how that Magistrate handle the whole thing after you stood there lying through your teeth~~he surely does not conduct his court as "Judge Judy" as he stated when he came in, because she would of told you to Shut It when you kept snickering, and interrupting me as I spoke. And then you and your daughter mouthing Liar, Liar, Liar at me as I took my seat. And you talk about Bullying~~Well you are the Biggest Bully of All Time! I and others are sick to death with all this crap about Bullying~~SUCK IT UP, LINDA! Next time you go to court remember to "Put Your Big Girl Panties On" & come by your own damm self, and don't take your daughter out of school to sit there and lie for you & hold your hand! And by law that Magistrate was out of line asking your daughter if you were telling the Truth, as No witness are allowed, just as No Lawyers are allowed in small claims court~~So he too was in the Wrong! I should report him as well. The only reason he made his decision in your favor was because I sighed that stupid contract you printed of the net. And to think you sold him again~~Geez, you should be so pleased with yourself doubling your money while I got the Royal Screwing! And please don't think you are that much of my existence, because you certainly are far from it~~but I must be to you~~as you keep posting on this Tread! I'm much to busy to be bothered by you & your friend Patty Purbey. And shouldn't you be caring for & training your "Puppies" instead of wasting your time posting? Seems you have to much time on your hands and must be one of those women you speak of~~shouldn't you be cleaning & tending to your litter of puppies & dogs and making sure there clean and healthy?
Good Riddance Linda Kaiser the Puppy Mill/Wholesaler! I'm done BS'ing with you~~it's been Real~~Not!
You go on and on and you don't even know me! The reason I replied to this complaint was because I had just found it on that day! It's okay for you to post something, but you get all ticked off when I defend myself? Sorry, Karen Wilson the trespasser/stalker, it doesn't work that way. When I found out you were stalking those people in Capac, I did a search to see what else your brazen self would do! Sure enough there it was! It's hilarious that you think you have the only right here. You're mad because I tell my side of the story. Let me tell you something, if you think that having a puppy that gets sick from doing what is appropriate, you are once again delusional! Puppies are not exempt from illnesses and if a puppy happens to get something, that doesn't constitute a bad breeder. I'm not a bad breeder because I missed cleaning out his ears for a few days. Ears get dirty! If a child gets sick, are you a bad mother? Did you clean your child's ears every day? I'm sure you're child was sick while you were raising him/her...by your accusations you are one horrible mother! You have twisted this ordeal to suit your anger... or because of it... believe me if someone buys a puppy in January, takes someone to court in April and keeps stewing over it until they post the nasty complaint in November, that is an anger problem! That's a lot of time having something consume you. It's been over a year and a half now and you're still spitting mad...whatever. Yes, the puppy got a new GREAT home and the money was donated to missions. You're right on one thing. I've wasted enough time on this I'm going to go clean my windows so you can see into my world more clearly. smh
Linda Kaiser~~~You are Psychopath!