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The breeder named Curt Gehm is going around and putting up other breeders names and slandering them saying that they are adertising the mink colors as ragdolls when in fact they were here when the ragdoll started. Im sorry but these colors are with in the ragdoll breed as well as the ragamuffin and even if they weren't you have no right to slander and put other breeders all over the net and try and ruin good breeders. You can voice your opion all you want but why bring other breeders into it if they choose to breed these colors. Its non of your business they are not bothering you so why slander them. Its there choice to breed mink ragdolls. Its all over the net that the minks were here with in the ragdoll breed and then we have people like you who are trying to take that away from them.
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http://www.eiserblew.co.uk/ragamuffin.htm
Buckwheat was a sepia and all sepia bred to colourpoint give mink, every tonkinese breeder knows this...
Rosdollane! What's your point? My Cat Liebling Cats Mocha Madness (A Natural Mink) did not trace to Buckwheat. He was a registered RagaMuffin not related to the Foundation Cats of the Ragdoll Breed.
Curt Gehm
Liebling Cats
I'm so tired of all this bickering and nitpicking.Don't they have anything better to do? Has everyone forgotten already that until several short years ago, Persians and Ragdolls were routinely used to "improve" the traits of the Ragamuffin? Why are they not attacked as "outcrosses"? Frankly, I don't care if it's true or not that Ragamuffins were used to bring in minks and solids into the Ragdoll lines. Fact is, that was more than 10 years ago and the Mink or Solid Ragdoll is just as much a Ragdoll as the Traditional one! Ragdolls and Ragamuffins are two closely related breeds, regardless if Curt (or Jan) likes this or not! Also, not all breeders of the mink or solid variants advertise their cats as "rare". Believe it or not, some just like to breed them because they like those colors just as much as the traditional ones. And yes, most Minks are pointed cats, just that their eyes are an aqua blue instead of a crystal or deep blue.
"Has everyone forgotten already that until several short years ago, Persians and Ragdolls were routinely used to "improve" the traits of the Ragamuffin?"
Persians & Ragdolls were "allowed" outcrosses to broaden the RagaMuffin Genepool. They were allowed by a majority vote of the RagaMuffin Breed Committee. The Ragdoll Breed has no allowed outcrosses. The RagaMuffins used to introduce the Sepia gene into the Ragdoll Breed were not allowed or approved by the Ragdoll Breed Committee or The Ragdoll Breeding Program or Breed Standard.. BTW, Minks ARE NOT pointed. Minks DO NOT have BLUE EYES. Minks are an intermediate Color. You can read all about it it here: http://www.eiserblew.co.uk/ragamuffin.htm. You can also ask questions about Mink/Sepia/Solid Ragdolls here:http://www.ragdollcatguide.com/forum/index.php
"Ragdolls and Ragamuffins are two closely related breeds, regardless if Curt (or Jan) likes this or not!"
I don't know who told you both Breeds are closely related since Ragdolls & RagaMuffins are from completely different Foundation Genepools. Please educate yourself before making such a foolish and outlandish statement.
Curt, you know very well that Persians, as well as Ragdolls, were crossed into the breed until just a few short years ago. I used to go on the Ragamuffin message board, and I looked at the Ragamuffin catteries in the early to late 2000's.So don't lecture me on educating myself. Ragdolls and Ragamuffins are related!
Again, I don't care if the Ragamuffins were out crossed into the Ragdolls, what's done is done, the minks are here now. Why can't you all find a middle ground and deal with each other in a mature manner, instead of all those infantile hissy- fits. As long as there are no health issues, I don't see the problem. The out crossing was done years ago, and the lines are pure now. And, Curt, I have seen pointed, blue eyed minks. And minks definitely do have points, even if their eyes are sometimes an aquablue-green and not the pure blue. People like them, I think they deserve to stay. Curt, why don't you and your entourage go attack the breeder/geneticist in TX that out crossed Abbysinians into the Ragdoll breed, to get the cinnamon and fawn colors. That is far worse than crossing Ragdolls with Ragamuffins, who are - no matter how much you deny it - related!
"And, Curt, I have seen pointed, blue eyed minks. And minks definitely do have points, even if their eyes are sometimes an aquablue-green and not the pure blue."
Please have those Blue-Eyed Mink "Ragdoll" cats DNA Color Tested."Minks" are: cb/cs: Mink, intermediate color between Burmese (sepia) color and Siamese pointed phenotypes. Get back to us with your results.
"People like them, I think they deserve to stay."
Sorry but "People" or "You" don't get to determine if they are ever included in the Ragdoll Breed Standard. Ragdoll Breeders make that determindation. TICA just instituted new law to insure that ONLY breeders get to VOTE to make that decision! THANK GOD!
"Curt, you know very well that Persians, as well as Ragdolls, were crossed into the breed until just a few short years ago."
Very few Ragdolls were used as outcrosses for RagaMuffins. A matter of fact I can count them on one hand! LOL. Persians were used more frequently but please don't think EVERY RagaMuffin was outcrossed because they weren't. Mine for example were not!
"So don't lecture me on educating myself. Ragdolls and Ragamuffins are related"
You're very dense so I'll continue lecturing you. ;) The Foundation Cats of the RagaMuffin Breed DO NOT and CANNOT be traced to the Foundation Cats of the Ragdoll Breed. Ragdolls & RagaMuffins are from a different genetic gene pools. I know what was submitted to ACFA since I attended the meeting when the RagaMuffin Breed was first accepted by ACFA in 1994.
I haven't logged on in years. Choleric, angry Curt has been in the eternal hunting grounds since 2014. He'd probably be rolling in his grave if he knew how far the other Ragdoll variants have come. He's been proven wrong on more than one occasion. RIP, Curt, and the minks, sepias, solids and BEW's are here to stay and will get the recognition they deserve.