New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans (NAFPS)
Reviews and Complaints

Missed a page

one is a Forbidden site
one had a loud siren warning and was red flagged
The Circle - put new age frauds and plastic shamans into search and no results, put Al Carroll into search and a page on measles appeared
one was a Netflix movie
more chat boards, more page not found or can't be reached or page does not exist, more articles written by other people with no mention of NAFPS
COARANN is run by one of the admins of NAFPS
another petition site
looks like no one wanted to date Al on Plenty of Fish, they were too busy talking about animal totems, spirit guides, guardian angels and Jesus Christ
Rational Wiki is the playground of Psiram
one was how to lower your triglycerides
one was a talk on the end of the world in 2012 that never happened
one was a BBC report on African witchdoctors
one was an article on Google glasses
one talked about zombies

Your references are not very convincing. Many go no where. You might want to deal with it.

The Cherokee Nation, AIM and universities are more reliable but you are not part of them anonymous wacko pretendian and psiram, esowatch phony

You tell me, who is more reliable? The Cherokee Nation, AIM, universities, and hundreds of others? Or the anonymous scared-to-death racists whining about being exposed who started this thread?

Natives know better. Deal with it, racist wannabes and wackos.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1235.0
NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...

Groups and individuals that NAFPS Has Worked With, Including Those That Are Members of NAFPS and Other Activist Groups

American Indian Movement Chapters:
AIM Arizona
AIM Indiana
AIM Support Group of Northern Kentucky/Ohio
MASSAIM
New England AIM

American Indian Heritage Support Center
CERTAIN
Honor Nation
ICARE
Iron Lodge (Native Prisoners Support Group)
Our Red Earth
Red Road Collective
Albuquerque Indian Center (NAFPS members toured Europe on a speaking tour to raise funds for them.)

Native Issues Supporters in Europe:
World In Our Hands Foundation
Fourth World
NANAI

Sites that list NAFPS as a resource, work with NAFPS members, or whose members recommend NAFPS, in alphabetical order:

AllExperts.com
http://en.allexperts.com/e/s/sh/shamanism.htm

AmericanIndianPrisoners.com (Native Prisoners Support Group)
http://www.americanindianprisoners.com/Pages/Al%20Carroll.htm

Americas Indigenous People, New Age, and Cultural Appropriation
http://www.stelling.nl/simpos/native_americans.htm

Anthropik Network
http://anthropik.com/2005/10/neoshamanism-is-masturbation/

Blog Critics Magazine
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/03/24/094810.php

Blue Corn Comics
http://www.bluecorncomics.com/stype3af.htm

Care 2 Make a Difference
http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=10787&pst=773492&archival=

Curanderismo Research Project
http://www.ojinaga.com/phoneyshamans.html

Dakota Lakota Singing
http://drumhop.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.pl?board=BSA&action=display&num=1108616601&start=46
http://tinyurl.com/25ky4y

DBPedia.iorg
http://dbpedia.org/page/Shamanism

Do No Harm (Anishinaabe Activists)
http://www.donoharm.bravepages.com/OctoberActions.html

Reviewer on Ebay
http://tinyurl.com/37ppmf

Engler Refugee's Homepage
http://www.geocities.com/englerrefugee/

Guru Ratings (Provides Warnings on Dangerous Gurus, Kind of a Hindu Version of NAFPS)
http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Ratlinks.htm

Health on Health
http://www.healthonhealth.com/Health-Reference/S/Shamanism

Indian Religion Beliefs
http://www.winzy.com/keyword/Indian%20Religion%20Beliefs

Internet Infidels Discussion Board (Skeptics Society)
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-7950.html

Issues Affecting American Indians in Tennessee
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=199489;article=16531

Journical.com
http://www.journical.com/article.php?q=Shaman

Kisikew Wiki, Indigenous News

Ladyhawk's Hogan
http://groups.msn.com/LadyhawksHogan/ndnissues1.msnw?all_topics=1

Lakhota.com
http://www.lakhota.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=2693

Library of Library.com
http://libraryoflibrary.com/E_n_c_p_d_Plastic_shaman.html+nafps

Native Culture Links
http://www.nativeculturelinks.com/general.html

NativePeoplesTribes.net
http://nativepeoples.tribe.net/thread/cbdbb78b-b006-4c95-a68f-ab3e6b46a199

Native Youth Magazine
http://www.nativeyouthmagazine.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=61

OccultForums.com
http://www.occultforums.com/archive/index.php?t-19575.html

PeakOil.com (Conservation board)
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic14491-0-asc-75.html

Planet Twinkie
http://www.geocities.com/planettwinkie//Links.html

PrisonTalk.com
http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-142879.html

Raising Our Collective Voices (Native Woman Activist)
http://windthruherhair.tripod.com/fightback.html

Red Road Collective (Anishinaabe Women Activists)
http://www.geocities.com/redroadcollective/Books.html

ReligiousForums.com
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-19940.html

Saponitown.com (Geneology Forum)
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1734&page=3

Six Nations Reclamation Info
http://www.reclamationinfo.com/phpBB2/

Snopes.com (Urban Legend Debunkers)
http://msgboard.snopes.com/message/ultimatebb.php?/ubb/get_topic/f/21/t/001116/p/1.html

Tutor Gig Encyclopedia
http://www.tutorgig.com/ed/shamanism

Waldorf Critics
http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/archives/WCA0401.html

Wayshelter
http://wayshelter.com/CulturalDirectory/Kitchen/Learning_Respectful.htm

Wikivisual
http://en.wikivisual.com/index.php/Plastic_shaman

Yahoo Answers
http://answers.yahoo.com/

Many Pagan sites, whose members often mistakenly fell for Nuage exploiters, have turned to NAFPS as a resource.
http://pub21.bravenet.com/forum/1732203021/fetch/339064/
http://www.duluthpagans.com/readings.asp
http://www.mysticwicks.com/archive/index.php/t-71208.html
http://www.spiralnature.com/magick/tradvsneopagantotemism.html
http://www.wiccanweb.ca/wiki/index.php/Plastic_Shaman
http://www.collegewicca.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=67&PN=1
http://thevalley.ukpagan.com/lofiversion/index.php/t12418.html
http://www.magickaschool.com/forum/viewtopic.php?=&p=31938
http://www.druidry.org/board/dhp/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15953
http://www.ttem.org/forum/index.php?topic=783.0

The list of sites that used NAFPS as a resource vs exploiter James Arthur Ray:

NY Times (freelancer John Dougherty)

Chicago Tribune (reporter Daniel Simmons)

CBS News- Early Show (reporter Elizabeth Bacelar)

WNYC Radio- The Takeaway (producer David Fazekas) request for interview, unfortunately I was busy teaching at the time.

Anderson Cooper 360 of CNN (producer Ismael Estrada) same as above

People magazine (reporter Howard Breur)

Arizona Daily Star http://regulus2.azstarnet.com/blogs/senorreporter

NY Travel Writers Assn http://nytwa.info/edwetschler

Rodale magazine http://www.rodale.com/deaths-sweat-lodges?page=0%2C1

Body + Soul magazine http://www.wholeliving.com/

Update, new sites.

http://www.abc-directory.com/site/2639304
Listed in it as a resource for surviving cults.

http://archaeologica.boardbot.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2121&start=15
Archaeologica

http://www.answers.com/topic/medicine-man
Answers.com

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2314817/the_shamans_of_sedona.html?cat=68
Associated Content

http://www.pusinsuyu.com/voixautochtones/html/ressources.html
Autonomous Voices, seems to be a Native issues support site in French

http://jonn.co.uk/garymannion/modules/news/article.php?storyid=51
Bad Psychics

http://barrysblog.freedomblogging.com/2007/12/05/weekend-warriors-trivializing-native-american-traditions/
Barry's Blog

http://www.bandia.net/caorann/
CAORANN, antiracist Pagan site

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=4652&pst=99803
Care 2 Groups

http://centralflorida.cherokee.org/Links/tabid/1655/Default.aspx
Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma official website

http://thecirclenews.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=206&Itemid=39
The Circle, one of the oldest Native newspapers

http://www.citizendia.org/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
Citizendia

http://www.computernewbie.info/wheatdogg/2009/05/11/a-sad-curious-tale-of-rampant-duplicity-and-stupidity/
Computer Newbie. Then James Mooney comes on to defend himself, and gets taken down by a couple members.

http://chrysalis1witchesjourney.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/rambles-about-cultural-missapropriation-and-community-involvement/
Chrysalis Witch, arguing against cultural appropriation

http://en.cyclopio.com/Plastic%20shaman
Cyclopio

http://sites.google.com/site/dehaluyi/americanindianfactsforeuropeans
Dehaluyi

http://www.druidry.org/board/dhp/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15953&p=181711
Druid Grove

http://blogs.myspace.com/emer_wolfrider
Emer Wolfrider

http://plantspedia.org/info/NAFPS
Ency of Plants

http://www.enotes.com/topic/Cultural_appropriation?print=1
ENotes

http://www.evocationmagic.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2652&p=26171
Evocation Magic, Pagan Site

http://files.meetup.com/166515/Shamanism.doc
Files Meetup

http://www.freebase.com/view/en/nafps
Free Base

http://gnuuu.blogspot.com/2007/12/i-found-interesting-website-today-nafps.html
Musings from Xavier Ashe, a post-catholic shamanic humanist existentialist pantheist that recently became a Lay Minister at the Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Atlanta.

http://halrager.org/WordPress/2009/10/
Hal Rager

http://www.hanksville.org/sand/intellect/newage.html
Hanksville is one of the oldest resources for information on Natives.

http://www.homecircle.info/LinksNA.html
Home Circle

http://www.examiner.com/x-21776-SF-Longevity-Examiner~y2009m11d2-Be-your-own-best-guru-for-healthy-longevity?cid=exrss-SF-Longevity-Examiner
Houston Examiner

http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2004/01/i_am_working_on.html
I Speak of Dreams, teaching site

http://www.jackmtn.com/simplog/?p=133
Jack Mountain, Survival Training Instructor with zero tolerance for Nuage nonsense.

http://www.uga.edu/religion/syl/2004rk.pdf
Professor Russell Kirkland, Univ of Georgia instructor in Religion, uses as a resource in his course Introduction to Religion in Native American Cultures.

http://users.skynet.be/kola/ipfagenda.html
Kola, European support for Peltier

http://culture.kosmix.com/topic/Inipi
Kosmix

http://www.leaftine.com/docs/leaf_thesis.pdf
Leaftine, a performance artist, referencing in his master’s thesis.

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/011748.html
Making Light

http://www.freewebs.com/manyrivers/page3.html
Many Rivers

http://www.maoliworld.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2011971:BlogPost:196711
Maoli World, Native Hawaiian Blog

http://www.startribune.com/local/44755337.html?elr=KArks:DCiU1PciUoaEYY_4PcUU
Minneapolis Tribune

http://elizabethtool.com/page/96/?archives-list&archives-type=months
Once Upon a Time in the West, nice comments.

http://natube.magnify.net/messages/view/FRNSBMJY7K8V9BMG
Native American Tube

http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/indians_rage_over_mtv_show_JZzh5RqoeNTkmPEHxCIJWK

http://www.myspace.com/ndnspiritualthiefs
NDN Spiritual Thiefs

http://www.nonfluffy.com/archives/2007_12.html
Nonfluffy Wicca

http://forums.plentyoffish.com/5043566datingPostpage2.aspx
Plenty of Fish Forum. Dating site that uses us as a resource in their Religion section.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=RationalWiki:Websites&redirect=no
Rational Wiki

http://www.realitysandwich.com/shamans_and_charlatans_assessing_castanedas_legacy
Reality Sandwich

http://www.republicoflakotah.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=479
Russell Means's bunch.

http://www.religionexplorer.com/top/Opposing_Views/New_Age/Chats_and_Forums
Religion Explorer

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/native-american-dir/93403-lakota-spirituality-exploitation-issue.html
Religious Forums

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12, 77450, 81497
Rick Ross, one of the leading cultwatch sites. Nice compliments about our work against James Ray.

http://righthealth.com/topic/Inipi
Right Health

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=23259&start=0
Rigorous Intuition

http://blogs.democratandchronicle.com/business/2010/02/09/safeguarding-against-new-age-fraud/
Rochester Democrat, local newspaper

http://www.powwows.com/gathering/native-issues/30327-exposing-fake-medicine-men-women-5.html
If you don't know the site, where have you been?

http://newagefraud.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/shaman-links/
Shaman Links

http://www.skepdic.com/refuge/harm15.html
Skeptic’s Dictionary

http://www.spiritandsky.com/skeptics/new-age/chats-and-forums/
Spirit and Sky

http://stereotype.drumhop.com/
Stereotype Drumhop antiracist page

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/09/23/africa-stupidity
The Stranger, Seattle newspaper

Organization in Eskasoni, TREATY BENEFICIARIES ASSOCIATION; to find one can search the Nova Scotia database: https://rjsc.gov.ns.ca/rjsc/acceptTerms.do?lang=en

http://tribes.tribe.net/3olivedirtymartini/thread/b070d4a6-5093-40a8-9138-b6387758ea65
Tribe.Net

http://www.tripatlas.com/NAFPS
Trip Atlas

http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/t-185278/hopi
2012 Hoax

http://www.ulctribal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8381
ULC Intertribal

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=176353&st=15
Unexplained Mysteries

http://uscmediareligion.org/?theScoop
Univ of Southern California

http://wicca.timerift.net/links.shtml
Wicca for the Rest of Us

http://www.vtap.com/wikitap/detail/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States/WIKI21217
Wikitap

http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/12/danger-of-wannabes.html
Wild Hunt

http://www.wildspeak.com/links.html
Wild Speak

http://www.wildwoodsurvival.com/_jthy/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=972
Wildwood Survival

http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Plastic_shaman
World Lingo

http://zhahara.livejournal.com/40222.html
Zhahara

Who is Esowatch and why does Esowatch use a pedophile server? - Hidden behind the dirty German-hatred sites ESOWATCH.COM is a criminal Internet project created in 2007 by Dr. Klaus Ramstöck (KrazyKraut?) and his wife Dr. Ing (Ingeborg?) Anja Ramstöck… an Internet pillory in the form of a wiki, a blog for censure and hate polemics as well as a forum for the coordination of campaigns, for the maintenance of their own community and for search engine optimization.

Esowatch, which belongs to the intelligence services… the BKA, BND, StaatsSchutz, to the Central Council of Jews, the Israeli Mossad, the American CIA… is now the anonymous website Psiram, which is widely believed to be financed by Big Pharma.

The creators of the anonymous Internet pillar benefit from the technical resources and the employee know-how of SyroCon Consulting GmbH ... since 2010 the subject of prosecution investigations in Germany.

People are portrayed in a manner that violates § 186 StGB (Defamation) and § 187 StGB (Defamation) in the vast majority of cases. Also systematic violations of copyright and personal rights.

NAFPS is part of this Internet pillory.

https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://antipsiram.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/psiram-100000-euro-von-der-pharma-lobby/&prev=search

Shame on them for being complicit with Psiram which was Esowatch knowing full well what they support

Newagefraud.org — libel, slander, identity theft, hate speech, cyber-bullying

NAFPS is not a First Nation Advocacy Group, they have no tribal affiliations and act badly.

Dr. Al Carrol nor NAFPS has any First Nation affiliation nor any tribal affiliation. They have misused their opportunities with their website to run abusive campaigns against anyone they dislike or disapprove. This includes bonafide Native American Spiritual leaders or ceremonial leaders that include non-Natives in their practices. NAFPS has no entitlement to claim any authority or special knowledge of who and what has rights to Native America they have shown by their own behavior that they cannot be trusted to honestly live up to their self proclaimed mandate to abuse only non-Natives and call real Native Spiritual leaders frauds.

We humbly ask that the interview with Al Carroll be removed from the film Spirits for Sale.

Elizabeth, for concerned Citizens for Native American Exploitation and Abuse

There is no neo-Nazi page, there are no paid cybertrolls and there is no hiring rapist. The man being talked about was found innocent by the highest court in the land and his friends support him. The supposed Neo-nazi site is run by a full blooded Lakota who admitted to being a Democrat. The people who are making complaints on a complaint board are not rapists, batterers or nazis but victims, mostly female victims, of one of the biggest bullying websites on the internet. Respected elders do not endorse this group. No recognized tribe has sanctioned this site. They are violating people, and dealing with tribal issues that don't belong to them.

NAFPS is mostly run by whites from Europe. Most of the texts are from actual natives who expose these liars and howlers of disinformation and expose these harmful people. Congrats to those exposing the fraud website. You are in the same boat with real natives who are trying to expose these fakes. That's why attacks on NAFPS are happening. Trying to prevent fake sites like this that punch down and harm innocent people.

I think it is beautiful that she has overcome her own autistic issues and is helping so many abandoned and traumatized kids with fetal alcohol syndrome.

This is not a good or trustworthy organization that is on the internet. It should be taken down.

Shore is not alone. Métis was removed as a category in the 1906 census. It didn't appear again on the census until 1991. Many had to assimilate to the dominant culture if they wanted to fit in and prosper. They were also forced to identify themselves as French or English or "white" at census time. The Lakota custom of giving a name to a person as a sign of friendship and respect or even adoption and someone saying that name is not the same as someone claiming to be Lakota. Shore has been recognized by different indigenous organizations in her area for the work she does.

Defamation Of Character Law Firm Lowell IA 52645 | Defamation Of Character...
The Family Research Council filed the lawsuit in January by an ex NAFPS member and respected NA elder who was attacked by Al Carroll

we all need each other...bridge peoples and ways...lets stay in truth ...and say and do what is most helpful...otherwise we get in our own way...if this elder's council heard NAFPS they would laugh...then wonder about your disrespect...

Let me set the record straight and speak directly to this. Anyone who can put names on a list and label them 'New Age Frauds' without ever having met the people they are accusing is a coward, and has no business educating anybody about American Indian issues.

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The list of individuals defamed by Al Carroll and the NAFPS site would be very long if complete. Al Carroll and his crew of fellow NAFPS bigots say they "take pride in being called enemy". Yet Al Carroll routinely blames all criticism on one individual - David Yeagley, John Martin, Suzanne Dupree, John LeKay, etc. It's hard to keep track of the targets of cyberstalker Al Carroll's hate. Northern Virginia Community College will regret hiring Al Carroll before long. Ward Churchill was obscure before his 9/11. When his hate drew attention to his academics and claims of ethnicity he was quickly discredited. But anyone who had actually read anything he wrote over the years already knew he was a joke academically. Just like all the people posting here. I hope Al Carroll finally gets some of the attention he seeks because it will be the end of his career at NOVA.

I would like to add Cate Crow to the list of individuals who have been defamed by NAFPS along with Algonquin medicine woman Nora Walksinspirit, Algonquin medicine man Pete Bernard, Spiritual Healer Nancy Huber, respected native healer Tis Mal Crow who passed some time ago and can not even reply to them.

Petition calling on Northern Virginia Community College to investigate the conduct of assistant history professor Alton Carl Carroll http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/cal-for-northern-virginia-community-college-nova

They are in it for the money and cant talk about others.

"NAFPS has a few real Indians posting there. Most of the folks there are Wannabes and phonies, themselves, though--trying to curry favor with real Indians.

So far as they "expose" real Indians who aren't towing some party line concerning what should or should not be shared with others, I could care less, anyway. I'm for Indians doing anything they wish. If they want to believe in or preach New Age philosophy or Christianity or traditional medicine, etc., etc., I just don't care. Who are non-Indians to tell them what they should or shouldn't do? That site is such a joke! NAFPS has definitely lost credibility. Too driven by personal relationships and agendas. And egos. No one wants to admit when they're wrong or have made a mistake."

from Real Indians

know you are not alone. Check out the comments in NAFPS libel and NAFPS Identity Theft. A defamation complaint board fits right in. The more people who are aware of this terrorist group and their sick methods the better.

3 ways to tell if a site is a fake, fraud or scam site

Look at the website's connection type. A website that has an "https" tag is usually secure--and therefore trustworthy-- This is because "https" sites' security certification is a process most illegitimate sites don't bother with. New Age Fraud does not have an "https" tag

Security info. A circle with an i before www.newagefraud.org - Security information - "Your connection to this site is not secure - you should not enter any sensitive information on this site (eg. passwords) because it could be stolen by attackers"

The website's "Contact" page. Legitimate sites provide a Contact page so that users can send questions, comments, and concerns to the owner of the site. If the site in question doesn't have a proper Contact page, it should be an immediate red flag.
No Contact Information – If the website does not have a contact us page, or it if does and it only offers a form to fill out or less, this is a strong indicator of fraud. Any legitimate site should have a location listed as well as a phone number and email to contact them. If none of this information is available it is a fraud site. New Age Fraud does not provide this. They provide an e-mail only "mailto:nafps_13@yahoo.com" and it comes with the same security warning as above.

New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans is a fraud website.

a person's 'real name' is not necessarily the one on any government document - the thousands of Natives whose 'real names' were ignored, changed, hidden...
I am Native American. Al Carroll and his gangsters are ruthless liars. Native Americans have their own spiritual integrity without the need of the false rantings of libelous Al Carroll who does not support any bonafide Native American spiritual tradition. Al Carrolls tradition is his own aggrandizement of our Native American plight on non-consensus among our selves. There are no Native American spiritual leaders that support Al Carroll for good reason.
I am a retired history professor and I would never let Al Carroll teach a class any more than I would invite David Duke to teach.

Al Carroll - no American Indian connection on paternal side. On the 1940 census his maternal grandparents are listed at San Antonio TX, race: White .. but that does not mean they were White.

Sky Davis - maternal grandparents were Italian and Lithuanian. Her paternal grandparents were from Texas .. same as Al Carroll's maternal grandparents.

NATIVE AMERICANS LISTED ON FEDERAL CENSUS AS "WHITE" STOLEN "IDENTITY" STOLEN "HERITAGE" The United States Census Bureau (Officially Bureau of the Census as defined in Title 13 U.S.C. § 11)
View on federalcensusindianslistedaswhite.blogspot.ca

This is where DNA tests for your heritage lines are coming in handy. We can prove through our bloodlines we are Native Americans. Unfortunately that is upsetting many NA who only go by the Dawes rolls. Sad that so many NA turn our own away.

Why does Al Carroll point the finger at family members listed as "White" when his own "White" family had a DNA test to prove they had Apache ancestry. Sky Davis should not point fingers when there are questions with her own ancestry. Kathryn NicDhana and the non's on NAFPS should not be pointing fingers at all.

From what I read so far, this group nafps has done very little to help the major problems that are pervasive throughout Indian Country. This man Dr. Al Carroll seems to be desperately trying to make a name for himself as an Indian activist. I personally know Russ Means and Dennis Banks, Dr. Carroll is no Means or Banks, by any means. This topic is about an alleged Apache who has been abusing his 1st Am. Rights. Dr. Carroll has posted in other forums and he seems to be a trouble-maker. Dr. Carroll should personally visit some of the American Indian reservations and get a grip on what needs to be done. His constant and unprovoked "witch-hunts" are unequivocally useless to contemporary Indian needs. Dr. Carroll is not part of the solution, indeed, he is a major component of the aggregate problem. Why does this man Dr. Carroll not go to various reservations and personally address real, legitimate Indian issues? From what I am told, Dr. Carroll visits Europe quite frequently for reasons unknown. If he were really concerned about the plight of the American Indian he would have tackled these problems long ago. He had his chance and he lost it. Dr. Carroll is a has been, a man who has very little Indian blood, he is a liability to the Native Community. He is just plain wrong for Native America.

DR AL CARROLL: QUOTE I have my father's last name, and he's Irish. My mom's side is Apache. There's no reason Harlyn would know me. Like about half of all NDNs I'm not enrolled. I've always been open about that.

APACE WOMAN: Apaches (all bands) are matrilineal. This means that we identify ourselves through our mother's bloodlines, clans and such. Whenever I meet another Apache or Yavapai I introduce myself and announce my mother's name and grandmother's name. My grandmother's name is one that most tribal members recognize to this day, though most know my mother too. Of course I have a different last name than my mother and grandmother due to marriage, but still I announce my mother's and grandmother's names.

My question is why wouldn't Harlyn Geronimo or Wendall Chino know your mother by her maiden name? Or even her mother, your grandmother? This should be common knowledge at Mescalero especially amongst the members still residing there.

And another thing, what gives you the right to do all that you have done in judging the Indianness of others over at Indianz.com? You're not enrolled and certainly haven't announce how you descend from such a great people - The Mescalero Apache, except to say, "my mother". Well, announce her name and that of your grandmother because that's what we're taught to do when introducing ourselves. You're attempting to make a name for yourself on a national level and claim to speak for the "Apache" nation of which there is none because we're all independent bands, with independent governments, united by a common culture and language and you certainly don't speak for my nation, got it!

Is Sky Davis Native American?

Onlytruthfu 
Cherokee Solidarity AKA Sky Davis is a Liar, she herself is not Cherokee. She has been claiming this false identity for years.  Saying she is of the Eastern Band.  She is not Indian. A little strange for her to be pointing fingers.

Lucie Bernbach
Funny thing is, turns out one of the accusers was a fake Cherokee. Sky Davis AKA Christine Sonya Davis AKA Christine Weed was proven a fake after this story got out. People in glass houses

Bonnie Singleton -

I've read New Age Fraud and Plastic Shaman for several years. I joined the forum in March 2008 and was an active member until June 2010. My research has been thorough, always backed up with sources and documentation. I've never been inflammatory and never posted trivial nonsense. I always thought of NAFPS as a working forum, not a social message board. Somewhere along the way, I got on the wrong side of one of the moderators.

I was banned from NAFPS because of comments I'd made in a thread about the Dawes Roll.

I got a pm from Kathryn suggesting that I edit my post. The pm was also sent to Al, Debbie Redbear (another mod)

I didn't reply to Kathryn's pm. I chose to reply on the forum, so there'd be no mistaking what I said.

I wrote:

It has been suggested by one of the moderators that I edit my post. I am not going to do that; my post will remain as originally written.

And that was the last post I made at NAFPS. I was banned the morning of June 29 and over seven months later, I'm still banned.

Originally, I couldn't even get on the forum. Kathryn had completely banned me. I sent Al Carroll (educatedindian) an e-mail, asking what was going on, wondering why he was giving Kathryn NicDhana so much power and authority at NAFPS.

From: al carroll
Sent: Tue 6/29/10 5:46 PM
To: Bonnie Singleton

She gave you a week of no posting. That's not a ban.

Though the blocking of you from reading the forum at all is unnecessary.

Your later remarks are ridiculous. They sound identical to what Lekay and Yeagley's people used to say.

I let four weeks go by before I e-mailed Al again. Wondering if he'd forgotten about me. No response. Three days later, I forwarded that same e-mail to him. Still no response. Haven't bothered to contact him since July 2010.

Comments
Twila Barnes
Twila Barnes One thing I have learned over the years is the most likely person to get banned on a "Cherokee" forum is a real Cherokee who speaks the truth and the most likely person to get banned on an "Indian" forum, is a real Indian who speaks the truth.
Bonnie Singleton
Bonnie Singleton It's been upsetting. Several have been banned. Others aren't participating any longer because of the way the site is being run. NAFPS has lost credibility.
Gerald Tieyah And people wonder why I stopped posting there only a short time after it opened up again.
Tachia Sandoval NAFPS lost a lot, if not all, of their credibility when al carrol allowed kathryn price to have the authority over members and the control of the site .. a moderator should not be allowed to use such a site as a platform for their own very personal vendettas
Beverly Isaac The non-indian should never overide an Indian, on an Indian for Indians site!
I am 4/4 Comanche, and I was banned
Bonnie Singleton Tachia, I agree with you completely. Tired of staying quiet and doing nothing while they continue to tell their lies. Can't believe I've bit my tongue this long. People need to know what is really going on at NAFPS.
Bonnie Singleton What I do have a problem with is people who lie about themselves and/or others. People are afraid to voice their opinion on NAFPS. If it differs from the powers that be, there will be retaliation. You're either going to be banned or threatened.
I wouldn't advise going to NAFPS and posting any of this. Would definitely be deleted and you'd probably be banned. If you continued to speak the truth, you would be lied about and threatened.
Steven Crow Messenger WOW i never knew any of this went on there. It is truly sad to see a site meant for truth be twisted into something else.
Bonnie Singleton Something needs to be done, Steven.So much has changed in the past year. Definitely not the NAFPS it used to be and that is unfortunate.
Russ Letica Theres one thing they can not take from you or ban you from Bonnie, and that is your Truth. Any Forum who stifles anyone's truth isn't a Forum anyone should want to be part of.
Frank Farmer Al and his firiends are the frauds.They are a bunch of self hating white people who have a compulsive need to call themselves Indians. They are so self hating they refuse to accept reality.

Frank Farmer Sorry having DNA doesn't mean anything. I have almost equal DNA parts black, native and European. I am a person not a race and I refuse to be identified as anything except my nationality, Canadian. What my ancestors were is totally unimportant to me. They lived in the 19th/20th century, I live in the 21st. As far as NAFPS they are just angry white people who hate being white.
Bonnie Singleton Frank, not everyone on NAFPS is a self-hating white person with a compulsive need to call himself an Indian. There are some Indians on NAFPS, not many but there are a few.
Bonnie Singleton There was a time when NAFPS presented research and not opinion. Nothing was moved from Research Needed to Fraud unless there were documented facts. Opinions seem more important than facts these days. Anyone else with a story to share? Posts edited? Comments deleted? Banned? Lied about? Threatened?
Frank Farmer Have you seen this site, NAFPS has lots of enemies http://newagefraud.blogspot.com/...
Bonnie Singleton Those who have been a topic of Research Needed or labeled as Frauds have always gone after Al Carroll and Company. Over the past year, it is not only the frauds who have been speaking out about NAFPS, but those of us who are/were members of the forum. It's run by a small group with a hidden agenda. They have lost all objectivity. Their actions are guided by personal vendettas.
February 10, 2011 at 12:48pm ·
Steven Crow Messenger What would be nice for a new site would be something that does not directly accuse anyone of fraud but instead just presented the facts and let the reader make their own call. Being objective and non biased is the key to good journalism.
Bonnie Singleton The reason I started this discussion was to expose the corruption on NAFPS. There are so many people who look to that forum for guidance, to know who is and isn't legit. People need to know that they can't rely on things reported by Al Carroll and Company.
Frank Farmer Folks who have followed NAFPS must realise that the people who run it are all phonies.
Tachia Sandoval bonnie .. indeed! .. "now it's run by a small group with a hidden agenda. They have lost all objectivity. Their actions are guided by personal vendettas." .. i agree completely with your post.
Bonnie Singleton The hidden agenda is far more sinister than selling books and movies or trying to be a European Indian expert.
February 10, 2011 at 4:09pm · 2
Tachia Sandoval bonnie .. exactly! .. the truth does not fit with their little agenda now does it?!
Frank Farmer The truth is something that Al and his friends avoid at all costs. Al's book has been taken apart by academics and Indian vets. I read the reviews, plenty of historians and researchers are highly critical of biased use of sources. I have seen some rather nasty personal info on Al.
Frank Farmer Some of the blogs are quite negative, he pissed off lots of Indian vets.Al is the real imposter, he's not spokesman for vets and he's not a credible historian. The only thing I can say about Al is that his little cult worships him...
Frank Farmer Isn't Kathryn a Celtic pagan?
Chris Miller i used to read a lot on NAFPS, but never posted even once, and they banned me .. .. the reason they gave was that each member was only allowed to have one profile, and they seemed to think that i was actually just an alias for Tachia...ban anyone that is even remotely friends with the people kathryn and al hate, that seems to be the norm over there .. .. silence those who disagree with you .. real "educated" huh? .. sounds pretty petty and childish to me .. ..
Tachia Sandoval bonnie, you were banned because kathryn price did not like you and your research that found the truth of the "oh so very secret investigation" .. and al let her do it all .. .. lol .. ..
nah seriously i know what you mean .. i wonder that too, can kathryn and al even give a REAL reason? .. i doubt it .. nor can they give a REAL reason for banning me .. or chris .. or anyone else! .. .. my posts are ALL there for anyone to see as well .. and there is NO REAL reason for them to have to banned me either! .. and certainly no REAL reason for them to have banned chris who really never even posted .. ..