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Yeah, I am gonna be filing with the BBB soon

Yeah, right, Buds is so excellent you dont have to go further than this board to find 20 pages and growing complaints about them:

BudsGunShop.com — Unethical business practices

The verisimillitude between Budsgunshot and this internet thug story is uncanny.

~Arrested online merchant left trail of terrorized customers

An online merchant who allegedly terrorized his customers in an effort to boost his online search ranking was arrested and charged with mail fraud and wire fraud on Monday.

Vitaly Borker, 34, launched a "campaign of intimidation" on one customer, Clarabelle Rodriguez, who told her story to the New York Times' David Segal after authorities were not interested in helping her.

When Rodriguez tried to return a pair of glasses she bought at Borker's eyeglasses site, DecorMyEyes.com, Borker threatened to sexually assault her and sent her a photo of the front of her house. "I know your address. I'm one bridge over, " he told her, according to Rodriguez.

The feds' complaint against Borker shows he terrified other customers in a series of outrageously horrific emails and phone calls since 2007. He's accused of sending an email to one dissatisfied customer's work colleagues claiming that the customer was gay and involved in selling drugs. He allegedly told another customer "I know where you live, " called her a "cheap Jew" and threatened to rape her. He urged another customer to "Please drop dead" in an obscenity-laden email.

But when Rodriguez and many other traumatized customers complained online, Borker gloated that they were only making him more money. Borker told the Times that the customer complaints boosted his ranking on Google, since the site's search algorithm could not distinguish between positive and negative reviews.

According to the complaint against him, more than 200 of his customers have filed complaints with authorities. "I just wanted to let you guys know that the more replies you people post, the more business and the more hits and sales I get. My goal is NEGATIVE advertisement, " Borker posted on one site where customers had complained, according to the Times.

The Times' original reporting on Borker prompted Google to change its algorithm so that negative postings no longer boost a site's search ranking. (Jared Newman at PCWorld argues this will not prevent unscrupulous businesses from gaming the system.)

Borker is also accused of selling counterfeit glasses, making interstate threats, and cyberstalking. He was denied bail.

Do a basic google search, Buds questionable practices are all over the net, "Wolfghost" has me to thank for Buds clown crew damping down their redneck BS and trying to clean up their act, for showing the world what a bunch of feckless goobers they really are.

Screw Buds, you can get better prices and service finding a local FFL who will order stuff for you, I found a guy who gets whatever I want for 5% over wholesale. Buds sucks and their prices arent that great anyway.

Did I mention Budsgunshop.com sucks? And only a fool would take a chance using them?

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375631

http://forum.pafoa.org/general-2/34166-buds-gun-shop-page-5.html

Nice to see Team Buds employees and family members sticking up for the clowns. If you read this entire thread from page one the dissembling and animosity from Rex at Buds is crystal clear. Of course the average [censor] who thinks Buds is great could not fathom the nuance of getting a range/demo gun and not having the time to test fire/inspect it before signing the freaking transfer. They are the type of shiftless goobers who would get a cold steak at Outback and not complain because the waitress was cute. Christ, theres another guy who complained about getting a beat up broken gun on the other Buds complaint thread on this site, but he still gave them a glowing review on Buds site? Makes you wonder how busy their website editor is.

Mine is not the only legit complaint about Buds and their crappy customer service. Theres one 15 pages long and counting on this site that displays their nastiness in full glory. Google the KY clowns and you will see lots of complaints on yahoo and other sites about them, in particular shipping out guns that are not what was represented and telling people to stuff it when they complain.

Buds prices arent that great anyway, unless you live in the middle of nowhere there are much better deals through small FFL dealers. I found a dealer who can order anything for 5% over plus shipping.

Buds sucks PND.

IMHO!

PS: as a followup to the inevitable followups that will claim that Buds took care of the P DIDDY poster by quickly offering him a refund, well, dont you think the threads and complaints by me and others on this board and elsewhere are the proximate cause for their newfound CSR skills?

Too bad I had to go through the mud with these KY jerks so others can reap the benefit of them turning a new leaf.

Fool me once, shame on you...

Here is a guy with the same experience as me, which shoots Rex's clumsy excuses down. I had no reason to complain till "Team Buds" ignored me, then sent nasty emails. When I posted my experience on this forum they went nuts, like most people do when called out for their corrupt deeds.

Read this guys complaint on the parallel thread on here about Buds and decide for yourself what they are shipping to people.

"19 days ago by P Diddy +3 Votes

I have also spent a few grand at buds within the last 6 months probably. I never did any research on them until today and stumbled across this huge thread. The reason I was checking out there feedback? I went to pick up a handgun I purchased from them and the "brand new" gun had brass shavings galore along with a decent sized portion of the finish chipped off the slide. I was pissed, so I called them immediately to see what they could do. They offered me a full refund/replacement on the spot which was great and the right thing to do. Not sure why they are shipping out "brand new" guns that have been shot and dropped but that's another story (and for the record, it was not the standard test fire brass. It was like 80 rounds brass w/o a cleaning).

Even aside from that, I didn't take the refund because these guys have been GREAT. Especially when it comes to shipping. I ordered this particular handgun Sunday night and was picking it up Tuesday morning. So I figured I'd give them the benefit of the doubt this one time.

After going through all the responses from "Team Buds" though, I have to say that I will never buy anything from them again. After all the great purchases I made it's sad to see what kind of person was really behind them. I expected a business man who respects his customers and their right to express their evaluation of, not only the gun they purchased, but the experience they had overall with Buds overall. I half relied on the customer reviews on their website when making my purchases. Now I know it was all just a bunch of edited, hyped up garbage. Too bad I didn't read this before I spent all that money :( "

BudsGunShop.com — Unethical business practices

"Boogers" is saying that my complaint isnt legit because Buds gun boxes dont have "BPS" stickers on them. DUH, Buds has been arguing with me for the last 5 months on this thread, doesnt that make you think they have admitted I am a unhappy customer? I have videotape and photos of the box, the gun, and the internal damage. Even Team Buds will not deny their stickers say "BPS."

BPS stands for Buds Police Supply, one more wrinkle in their shady corporate organization. Rex at Team Buds weaved a story on page 1 of this thread that would confuse the Mafia about the ownership of Buds and their various locations.

FACTS of the matter, Buds had my gun for over 7 months in their possession before selling it to me, and there is an indoor range at at least one of their locations. Read page 1 of this thread CAREFULLY. FACT is the gun had internal damage so bad that it could not even be repaired, it had to be replaced. Taurus did the right thing by me, but Buds did not.

Guns dont have odometers, but when you have one that arrives with internal damage and more powder residue than Dillingers machine gun, DO THE MATH.

I mistakenly assumed I was receiving an unused gun, signed paperwork at the FFL in a hurry and didnt field strip the gun before accepting it. Unlike Davidson's, Buds does not offer a lifetime replacement exchange warranty. Rex clearly stated on page 1 of this thread, once you sign the transfer, you are stuck with it, and you have to deal with the manufacturer. Fair enough. They got me.

Buds certainly has plenty of customers who get what they expected, and are happy. Then there are certainly customers who don't get what they expected, but don't bother to take their complaints public. Then there are customers like me who get screwed, and will not be intimidated by a bunch of chaw chewing bubbas who resort to pounding the Bible when caught lying.

Rex called me an idiot for accepting the gun, once I signed the FFL paperwork it was my problem.

Rex was right, I was an idiot for buying online from Budsgunshop.com. Fool me once, shame on you. There will be no second time.

IMHO and in my personal experience "Team Buds" is a lousy dishonest company. Their leader Rex started waving a Bible and quoting religious verse after his various incomprehensible stories fell apart, the sign of a true charlatan. On their site is a "review" of a Ruger P95, the guy said the gun didnt work at all, it was totally defective, but he still gave it 5 out of 5 stars!? Most likely another tampered "review" by Team Bud. The "factory new" gun they sold me was so worn out and tore up ( I suspect, but obviously cannot "prove" because guns dont have odometers, that it was used as a demo/range gun, it was in Buds possession for over 7 months before dumping it onto me) Taurus had to replace it with a complete new one, it was so unrepairable.

The people on here raving about Buds great service are probably his own flunky employees, trying to keep their jobs.

You are better off paying full retail at Bass Pro than buying anything from these creeps. Never seen a company run by such demented people they come online and threaten, harass, and try to intimidate their customers who have had problems with their questionable defective goods.

The word is spreading about Budsgunshop.com, keep gloating about how rich you are getting Pastor Rex, Jim Bakker was smug before his unravelling too!

What's ridiculous is you would admit an apparent ATF violation on this site, your quoted statement below,

"Another reason we do not open the guns is for our own internal control, we do not allow employee's in the processing and shipping areas to handle the guns. Issues such as missing magazines and other undesirable issues can occur when too many people get involved in handling the guns."

It is required under FFL rules to check each firearm physically and VERIFY its serial numbers, and that it is IN FACT the firearm being shipped out.

Quite impossible if you are doing business as you say.

Your previous statement about "boxes in...boxes out" is not only patently ridiculous, but would not allow proper FFL procedures.

Expect further scrutiny by the appropriate agencies.

An early apology and offer of remediation would have nipped this in the "bud."

You reap what you sow, a classic quote that all businesses should consider.

I will comment no further until all information is back from the appropriate agencies.

Team Buds and his minions, with all their conflicting attempts to deflect criticism, will not change the salient facts.

I ordered an item that was supposed to be "factory new."

I got an item that was used abused and nonfunctional.

The item in question was in Team Buds possession for 7 months.

What would be a reasonable conclusion?

My suspicions and reasonable conclusions stand.

Team Bud and their minions vitriol and online thuggery speaks to the nature of this organisation.

Once again, based on the hostile responses, personal attacks, and ever changing back story, decide for yourself,
is a company like this worth patronizing? Just to save a few bucks?

I regret that I did not google this company and see all the other negative reviews, on this site, yahoo, and others.

I would have been much better off, for this amount of displeasure and ill will, to pay the 75 extra dollars and get the item locally.

Learn from my mistake!

"Bob the Boogerhead's" name pretty much says it all, no further commentary needed.

"Synderrela" your complaint on here is about an obvious scam "rebate" that you feel ripped you off.

Unlike you, my purchase was for a specific item advertised in a certain condition.

Its highly amusing when somebody "whining" about an obvious scam feels compelled to interject in a more nuanced situation.

And someone with as many posts as yours on here advising people with legitimate complaints to "get a life."

Perhaps you should "get a life" and stick with dusting shelves, mopping floors, et cetera, whatever it is you do in your hovel.

Threatening bodily harm "Mica1755?"

Personal threats were expected from "Team Buds" and their sycophantic hangers on.

Of course, you might not like it when this board is subpoened for your IP.

Obviously "Team Buds" does not value their FFL license that terribly much.

Thanks for proving your are a liar.

In my belief there may be POSSIBLE fraud. My First Amendment right to relay my beliefs and observations are clearly established.

This is interstate and serious business.

Your veiled threats to provide documents related to my transaction with you are unequivacable and clearly stated.

I look forward to federal civil proceedings and the discovery process to get to the bottom of this.

Maybe you should spend less time on the internet trying to spin things and more time attending to business making things right. Ever hear the expression "the customer is always right?" Your business must be very slow if you have all day for this. Rightfully so.

"This guy gets the last word...as their is no end to the amount of false accusations that he can dream up...and leave me to defend...just a complete waste of time."

Well? Or are you a liar?

More lies and libel by Buds Gun Shop. They even lie about giving me the last word! There is no end to the lies and libel these characters will go to cover their shenanigans.

A reasonable person would read this sentence "...any concerns about THIS transaction, or any transaction, ...send those directly to me...I WILL GLADY SHARE WITH YOU DOCUMENTATION (NOT OPINIONS OR ASSUMPTIONS) TO EASE YOUR CONCERNS, WE HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE." and infer that you will release DOCUMENTS pertaining to MY transaction to anyone who asks.

That is the kind of dirty lowdown veiled intimidation tactics Buds Gun Shop uses to attempt to silence unhappy customers.

If you continue with your libelous statements, there will be repercussions. Liar, paranoid, idiot... you people seem to enjoy casting aspersions that you falsely claim you are victim of.

PS: another shady half truth you posted further above, "We do not have a shooting range at our store in Lexington, where your gun was inventoried and shipped from."

You neglected to mention there is a pistol range at your other Buds Gun Shop location. A pistol range where maybe demo guns are used, then brought to the other location to be sold online? Of course details like that are conveniently left out of your vicious diatribe.

Half truths, personal attacks, out and out lies.

Is this the kind of company that deserves to be patronized?

One can only speculate how many customers are like the other Taurus purchaser above, who had problems with a firearm but let Taurus handle it without even calling you. Or how many felt duped but were too embarrassed to air their frustrations.

Read all this and decide for yourself, google Buds Gun Shop, use due diligence, which unfortunately I did not do before using Buds Gun shop!

Just to be clear, Buds Gun Shop in the post above states he will provide my confidential FFL information to anyone who emails and asks for it. How many laws is this a violation of?

All potential Buds Gun Shop customers should be aware that your personal info is not safe with Buds Gun Shop, based on their own statements, reprinted below

"You started the name calling...I just made the mistake of lowering myself to your level. I am done, if anyone has any concerns about this transaction, or any transaction, related to www.budsgunshop.com then just send those directly to me at rex@budsgunshop.com
I will gladly share with you documentation (not opinions or assumptions) to ease your concerns, we have nothing to hide. We have a great group of people who take a lot of pride in what we do...and we (obvioulsy) wear our heart on our sleeve."

I am sure the shooting world will be glad to know that any customer you have problems with will have his personal info disseminated by Buds.

What's next Buds, personal threats?

I fully understand Buds did not build the pistol, and that Taurus will back it up. I never asked Buds for a refund, I asked if they would offer one, but had no intention of demanding my money back from them.

Perhaps if Buds had responded in a less hostile manner I would have been able to post how helpful they are.

I purchased a gun from them that has wear and fouling beyond test firing.

Buds proceeded to point fingers and call me names after my initial report.

Their conduct here indicates they are not trust worthy or reputable or professional IMHO.

I fully admit to being an idiot for buying a gun from this company.

Please do not be an idiot like me.

Like I said, real class act you guys are. If seeing this complaint got you so fired up you could have just said "wow, sorry you got a bad gun from us, we would be happy to refund your money, let us know whatever we can do, we want you to be happy."

You could have shown how you guys are above such antics, and how you defuse bad situations and make bad press good.

Nope. You turned your knob up to fullblown redneck denial bluster mode.

Glad you "checked" with one of your own staff, that is definitely proof positive things happened like you say. Right.

Once again, thanks for affirming my initial complaint about your company and your CSR skills.

Call me some more names, it looks good here on the internet for all the world to see.

PS: that supposed "email for all the world you see" above was never received by me, however, I did receive this one below from Rex:

"Go ahead and spread your experience (= lies and false accusations). I have the facts documented here at the office...and will gladly scan and email you anything you would care to see as far as the history on this gun...but you probably don't even care to see those...much more fun to make up b.s.

Who here advised you to buy that particular make and model Taurus ?...exactly, you picked the gun you wanted and we just shipped you exactly what you asked for...your beef is with Taurus and they will most likely make it right. We don't build, shoot, clean, etc. any of these guns...they come in boxes...they leave in boxes...what you like or dislike once you open the box is between you and Tuarus. If you don't like it...DON'T TAKE IT HOME !...then we are able to help you...full refund, exchange, etc.

I do know "damn well some people do transfers without being able to check everything out on site"...but you said...

/"I picked it up at 6pm when the pawn shop was
closing. Just looking at it the pawn shop owner who
has 20 years experience said "thats a used gun"

/WHOA...STOP RIGHT THERE ! Just refuse the transfer and all this stops right there...you get a full refund, new gun, different gun...completely YOUR CHOICE."

Based on Mr. Rex's email above, once you take it home all it's problems are yours. Therefore your comment that you do indeed have a full replacement warranty akin to Davidson's is contrary to what was posted in the above email. Keep em coming!

Say what you want, your own staff admitted that gun was kicking around in your store for the last 7 months. Thats an awful long time in a hot gun market. IMHO its entirely theoretcially possible that gun was a demo. Since you want to keep this discussion rolling, do you have a shooting range on site at your stores? Who has access to the guns in your store? What type of quality control procedures to you have in place for online sales? You guys have all the tact and customer service skills of a pit bull on meth. Keep attacking the customer, it shows what you would be like in person. Start returning calls and try to understand why somebody would be upset getting a beat up broken gun, before calling them out as idiots and liars. You guys are a real class act. Did you learn your CSR skills at Enron?

Buds responded to my email by saying, in effect, I am an idiot for accepting the gun in the first place. They then followed that condescending remark by saying they "make mistakes sometimes, " but since they feel "slandered" by the posts on here they have no sympathy for me at all. Of course, the fact they dont return phone calls and only respond defensively pointing fingers at everybody else (like they accuse me of doing) speaks volumes. Whereever the fault lies, Taurus, distributor, Buds, Buds was the last one in line who sold the firearm. I am just relaying my experience with this company. Keep hiding behind your "policies" but Buds knows that many transfers are done without being able to check a gun out. Falling back on their policy that you can not transfer the gun if you dont like it is as lame as what they accuse me of. Maybe if they picked up the phone and returned calls people in my unfortunate circmstance (getting a defective USED gun) would not vent on internet forums. Food for thought, Buds.

PS: I did try to call Buds gun shop the day I received it, got the voicemail shuffle, ended up leaving a message with somebodies voicemail, nobody called back. I did email them and they responded to that. Also, just to be perfectly clear, although this gun may not have ever been TRANSFERRED before, which would have made it TECHNICALLY used, it most certainly was USED, more than just test fired. By whom, when and where, well, thats where things get murky, right? Its just a crummy experience all the way around.

This gun was fired more than a couple times, more like in the hundreds, but my inference about Buds knowing it was used is retracted. Somewhere along the line this gun was used and abused, that is for sure. In the meantime my statement that unseen online purchases should be avoided stands, with no inference positive or negative towards Buds guns.

LucasWestscott,

Why dont you read the complaint again and tell me where you see I want something discounted or free. You obviously did not read the thread before you commented with your expert pro-tips of the day. When you decide to read it all you will find is me stating all I wanted was to take advantage of a Buds product reviews and notify any potential buyers of the problem I had with the scope and I was censored in doing so...

Jon from Massachusetts,

Nobody here is complaining about Bud's price, shipping, or email progress communication...I have already stated before that everything involved with the execution of the transaction...Not to sure how your post is relevant to the complaint this thread is about.

jayarbee,

I will "give up the fight" as soon as I am able to repost my original review of the product that was deleted and replaced with a fake review in my name. In Bud’s credit, they have taken steps towards this by contacting me and reinstating my account so I can post up my review. The only problem is that the scope is currently not on the website. Once it is I will repost my review and put this behind me, that is all I wanted all along.

Whether it is one instance or practiced everyday should not make a difference...the fact is that this happened at least once, and should have been taken seriously from the very beginning...you should have taken a look at my order history and said "wow something really happened to this guy, our good customer who has spent thousands, something really piss him off and go to the Kentucky BBB (even though he lives in SC) and wow he is even complaining on a forum and yahoo review, and even creating his own website to tell his story". I mean do you not understand why it has come to this? Regardless of how many transactions you have completed successfully or what kind of rating you have does not matter... like I said before I have had a great history with you guys but it just took one for it to ruin everything, that’s all it takes...and maybe an apology and conformation that this really happened to me "a one isolated case" was all I needed in the very beginning of all this...but that is not how you guys approached it, and then it became much more personal.

It would have been a couple days before the other one was posted in my name (which was on Thursday April 30 2009 according to the screenshot). I was unable to take a screenshot of my previous product reviews before they were deleted.

I still have the same phone # ending in 4714, and nobody by the name of Harry should be answering my cell…not sure if you entered in the correct area code (which I would not want to disclose on here). I know you guys have the right number b/c you have called it before I was deleted off your customer list to let me know a Night Vision Scope I ordered was no longer in stock and to ask me if another would suffice.

All I wanted in the beginning of all this was this occurrence to be researched and dealt with...not deleted as a customer and then silenced. As you can see in my history of orders with you guys, I was a good customer that used you for alot of business, and also was spreading the good word about you guys until this happened. Obviously something happened to me or I would not be wasting my time here over a $19 scope...the reason why I have made this my crusade is because I was raised to understand and practice honor and integrity, and not to back down in the face of others who care to pull blinds over the eyes of the unassuming consumer. Whoever is on the other end of these Buds responses might not have been the "one" that has done all of these things I have described, but I fully believe that there should have been more research on the companies side of things before coming on here and attacking me for what I know is truth.

And no I have not heard of this happening on your website before, that is why I continually bought from you guys…but I know it happened to me by someone on your team whether it by contractor or direct employee.

Sure, I acknowledge that there are other negative reviews that are worth hundreds more than $19…but you would probably only carry 5-10 $5000 items. I am sure that you bought bulk numbers of this scope which would easily be a high number in cost.

So as far as an explanation all I can do is speculate since I don’t sit in on your Bud’s Board meetings….

Assuming that you bought a 1000 Barska scopes, let just say at $19 a unit (which I am assuming you would have to by a large number to have a lower price) that roughly comes out to $19, 000. I also noticed that it is a featured item…I believe it was featured as the second item for sale on your website, so obviously you guys wanted to sale these scopes (especially since you just bought 1000)…but then some guy (Benjamin P) comes and reviews the product as poor and as “breaking after one shot of a SIG556” (1 star out of 5), then how in the world would you sell the rest of these scopes and who in there right mine would buy something that breaks after one shot? So to keep this baby selling for the low price of $19, you delete my review that I post on your site over and over until finally you or your IT realize that I will just keep on posting it for the World to see even though you keep on deleting it…and then you finally lock me out of my account and post a fake review under my name the same day you lock me out of my account…I mean how else would you make your money back for these scopes if you didn’t do this?

So like I said that is my explanation but I have no idea what you guy’s exact motives are…all I know are the FACTS (in timeline order)…

-I bought a BARSKA AC10332 RED DOT 50MM RED 5MOA to put on my SIG556 b/c of all of the positive reviews under the product on the Bud’s website
-I got the scope in a timely fashion in the mail
-I took it to the range and after one shot the glass came loose in the inside of the scope
-I decided, well that’s what I get for buying a $19 scope, I should have expected that
-I went back on to the Buds website to write a review that read…”Broke after one shot on my SIG556” 1 star out of 5
-The next day I log on my review is gone…I repost the same thing
-Next day log in to my account and the review is gone, I repost again and add that “my review keeps on getting deleted for some reason, and I will keep on reposting every day that it is deleted”
-Next day website wont let me log into my account and states “Your account has been permanently de-activated by the webmaster”. I then go to the main page and check for my previous review and in its place is a review under my name (Benjamin P.) that states, “Wow, what a great deal on a name brand optic. I could not be happier with my purchase and Buds service!”
-I then contact the BBB of Kentucky and report this incident

FYI the screenshots still won’t post so I am going to have my IT guy create a website and post the link either today or tomorrow…

Sorry guys the screenshots arent coming up b/c I can only view them myself b/c I have back end access admin rights blah blah blah...lol no I will have to upload the screenshots from my home computer tonight b/c this work laptop is a piece of trash and times out, or it could b/c the website doesnt except GIF format, anyways I will see if I can figure it out and post these screenshots later tonight

Haha...you can only view it now b/c "I can view all the product reviews in the back end of the website under admin". I knew you would come up with some BS...and I knew you guys would quickly takedown the reviews as soon as I posted this, that is why I took screenshots of it the other day before I posted and you had a chance to say the product was no longer in stock...yet again I am posting proof by screenshot? What do you have to prove my "erroneous accusations"? Sorry guys the next couple of post will only be screenshots showing what I previously stated...First I will repost the original FAKE review under my name "Benjamin P." that they have now deleted to cover their ### b/c of my previous post...you can look at Bud’s BS with your own eyes…

Wow Buds! It’s been awhile since I’ve last posted, but I wanted you to lie and contradict yourself enough times before I brought even more evidence and truth to the table for these potential customers to see. So far I have provided evidence to my so called “erroneous lies” and potential customers are smart enough to do their own research before buying. So yet again I will solidify my “erroneous lies” with proof of your deceptive practices…To do this I will copy and paste your own responses throughout this forum…

Bud’s state:

“I asked our IT staff about this issue two days ago. We now have over 240, 000 registered customers. 524 of those customers have the same first name as bencit (Benjamin, who started this post). Of those 524 Benjamin's...18 have a last name that starts with the letter P (same as bencit). So, since the screen shot he posted just says Benjamin P...how does he even know it was him and not one of the 17 other Benjamin P's that left the positive review. We sold over 1, 200 of those little $19 Barska units, and I do know for a fact that one order (he actually ordered 2 on one order) of those purchases was made by a Benjamin P in Salem, OR...which is NOT the Benjamin P (bencit) who wrote this post.”

So you claim the screenshot of the reviewer Benjamin P. April 30 2009, is a Benjamin P. of Salem, and by chance Benjamin P. of Salem posted a good review of the same Barska scope the same day my poor review of your product was deleted and locked out of my account.

OK let’s give Buds the benefit of the doubt…

Then Bud’s states:

“This persons negative post here is as unreasonable and false as their original post on our website. Nobody used this persons name to post a positive comment on our website, we only edited his post to remove uneccessarily harsh language, we did not change the scope or the actual rating value of the original post.”

So you are stating that you did edit my post? If so where this is edited post of mine that you fixed the harsh language…and as a matter of fact where is Benjamin P. of Salem’s post? Why is it no longer there? Why would you delete a post of a great product review? The fact is that you deleted the false review the minute the BBB contacted you about this matter so you wouldn’t get caught altering reviews, only problem is I took screenshot first before you deleted the evidence (which can be found on the first page). I took screenshot of all current reviews of the BARSKA AC10332 RED DOT 50MM RED 5MOA that you have on your site today and will post them if need be, but anyone can check themselves and see that this so called Benjamin P. of Salem review has been deleted (and has been since the beginning of my complaint. So for the forum audience here and all the potential buyers go ahead and lets here the new BS lie you can come up with for deleting a good review that is supposedly Benjamin P of Salem…or would you say now that you have deleted 2 Benjamin P. accounts on the same product out of the 6 people you have deleted accounts for?

SO if it is this Benjamin P in Salem why would you lock me out of the account the same day the supposed Benjamin P from Salem posted the great review for you and the product...man how low will you guys stoop? OK...lets assume it was Benjamin P on Salem who happened to have a raving review of the $19 product on the same day my poor comment was deleted and you locked me out of my account so I could no longer post...Why the heck would I be on here wasting my day telling my story if this never happened? I am glad you guys keep on posting your sorry lies and excuses for other potential consumers to see...you guys are digging your own grave.

Buds,

Are you just choosing to not look at the screenshots of your team altering the review in my name and logging me out?
...you keep on saying "why would we" and that is the same thing I ask...its a fact that you did, so go to the person that did it in your team and ask them if you dont know... I would also like to know why you would alter a poor review for a $19 product and then lock the customer out so they cant change the false review in their name.

-Geoff S

I agree with you that we are lucky to have gun stores left...but no matter how much I love guns or talking about them I can’t let that get in the way of exposing a company that enjoys censoring its customers and their reviews to deceive the rest in order to get more money...I mean is that what we are left with in this country? If you were in my shoes would you really be saying, well at least there is someone still selling guns in this country?
Like I said before, I already have declared mission accomplished...I stated that if buds didn’t get just one customer not buying from them b/c of my complaint, then it would be a victory for me...Many more than one person on this post already stated that they were considering buying from buds but now will not b/c of my complaint. The great thing about this is that this they can’t censor me here or delete my complaint from this website.

-drtdevil!

No its not "basically" what I accused buds of...If I did what to you what Bud's did to me I would deleted your post, rewrite a new one in your name that states I have the best complaint forum out of all the complaints, and then lock you out of the forum so you couldn't post anymore.

As I stated in my last two post to you...I am sure you are affiliated with buds. Who else in their right mind could look at the screenshots I provided on the first page of buds altering my review, altering it in my name, and then lock me out of my account so I cant do anything about it, and then still think buds hasn’t done anything wrong.

-drtdevil

So essentially by posting on my complaint you are stating to buds this...

"Hey Bud's keep on deleting peoples reviews and alter them to make your business more successful. Make sure you lock them out of their accounts so they can’t communicate what you are doing on their reviews. Most buyers out there won’t catch your unethical business practices. I've been conducting business like this for 41 years. If I took the time to run a legitimate business I could have retired 20 years ago! LOL

Like I said before I am sure you are affiliated with buds...who in there right mind could look at the screenshots I provided of them altering my review, altering it in my name, and then lock me out of my account so I cant do anything about it, and then still think buds hasn’t done anything wrong.

You never caught anyone? There are screenshots of what happened at the beginning of this post...why are you just now mentioning your IT guys might have altered my review? I assume they are also considered "Team Buds"? Even if it was you IT guys you are still in the wrong! From the beginning you should have questioned why a great paying customer suddenly got pissed off...If it was your IT guy that did it why haven’t you investigated the possibility? Instead of investigating this possibility at the beginning you immediately attacked me as a liar with nothing better to do then bring down your company...nice

-Geoff S,
I have already posted this but I will again for you...It wasn’t about the broken scope. What ticked me off was that my voice was silenced by someone and altered in a deceptive fashion...If you want more info read through the post. Apparently all of the threatening comments you are reading about happened on another Bud’s complaint from another unhappy customer

So Bud's Team, you have never commented on the screenshots of you manipulating the review and posting a fake one under my name...just as you failed to comment on it to the BBB according to their report back to me.

By the way I think you are confusing two different posters...Even though my last name also starts with a P I am not Mr. Petrasek who hasn’t posted in since the previous page...

Well my mission is accomplished, and it will continue to do so the more Bud’s post on my complaint. I said I would be happy if just one customer that was going to buy from Bud’s decided not to due to reading my complaint. Essentially they turned their deception practices of manipulating comments for a minuscule $19 red dot scope, into a potential thousand of dollars lost of other customer business that read my complaint and their responses.

Gunrunner...you state that you have done business with Buds over the past 6 years...what made you think to come onto a complaintsboard.com forum 6 years later, search for Buds, and then leave a comment that has nothing to do with the complaint?

Don’t you find it odd that the last two post were both from individuals that lived in Kentucky (Where Buds resides) and both comments were within 7 minutes of each other?

Again a good of example of Bud’s deceptive practices…

Gunrunner-

You are one of two things…someone who just posted on a complaint who didn’t take the time to read the story (my complaint had nothing to do with a gun or gun prices)…or you are quite possibly someone who is affiliated with Bud’s itself and are trying to throw people off of the original complaint…

Drtdevil-

Same with you…your comment reminds me a lot like the fake comment that was posted in my name by Bud’s
“Wow, what a great deal on a name brand optic. I could not be happier with my purchase and Buds Service!

My dispute wasn't with the red dot scope...I was going to deal with the loss of $19. My dispute came about when they decided to deceive the other potential buyers by deleting my comment and replacing it with a fake good review. I was planning to buy again from Buds (even though the scope broke), but once they choose to censor and silence their customer I decided to call it quits and share my story. Most of what you are seeing on this post is many other unhappy customers with their stories posted on my red dot scope complaint.

Here is the screenshot showing that they locked me out of my account so I couldn't alter the good review they put in my name. In Bud's statement above you will read "Nobody used this person name to post a positive comment on our website"...I have never in my life experienced or seen this level of deception within a business. Bud's states above states that I am just trying to hurt their business...In the past I used them in a number of transactions, including a high end 1911, a Sig P220, and night vision. Why would I want to attack their business b/c a $20 cheap scope broke? (I didn't even care to get a replacement b/c it wasn't worth the hassle) I only posted a review that stated that it broke after the first shot on my Sig556. Only once they began deleting my reviews did it become an issue with Buds, and I contacted the BBB immediately after they put up the good review in my name. Just to put this in perspective to this day Bud's is the only business I have ever reported to the BBB in any state. If this post just causes one person not to buy from Bud's I will be happy and put this behind me..

Here is the first screenshot of them acting like they are me giving this product a good review...The Kentucky BBB relayed to me that Bud's failed to comment on the fact that they deleted my account and inserted a false review in my name...

Here is what Buds say are my erroroneus accusations...little did they know that I took screenshots of what they were doing. I will post my screenshots showing them deleting me out of my accound, deleting my poor review of the product, and then writing a good review in my name...